Hey Badger you know science things
Why is Fracking supposed to be bad?
( Peej, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:09, 2 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

because there are risks of destabilising the ground along pre-existing fracture lines
or shit underground might explode. These two things then might result in land collapse, earthquakes, tsunami and the zombie apocaylpse.

Or, y'know, fuck all might happen except we get shed loads of cheap gas. Who knows?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:12, Reply)

If we get cheap gas then there's less incentive to actually look at sustainable energy and we'll pump a shit tonne of carbon up that we didn't technically need.

(PsychoChomp, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:14, Reply)

yes.
you do understand that's how it works?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:16, Reply)

Devils advocate really.
Fossile fuels are "bad" and shouldn't be used.

That said natural gas is the best of a bad bunch in terms of processing and carbon emissions. If the world swithched over all coal power plants to natural gas, and/or natural gas starts widespread use in HGVs buses etc global carbon emmisions will go down a lot.
(PsychoChomp, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:28, Reply)

Or, alternatively people could stop obsessing about carbon dioxide emissions
as it's almost certainly one of the least of our concerns in terms of fossil fuel usage.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:30, Reply)

I'd admit the debate should be moved more to wastefulness and energy security*
but carbon emmisions is still important.

*by that I mean spending massive amounts of money every year for something that you can generally make yourself with a large enough initial investment rather than OMG fundin terror
(PsychoChomp, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:35, Reply)

energy is entirely the least of our problems.
There is pretty much not a single product out there in our lives that doesn't use oil in its manufacture, and to which there are no serious viable alternatives at a global scale. Biodiesel-based avaiation fuels are fuck all use if we have to go back to planes made out of wood.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:38, Reply)

Graphene will save us!

(PsychoChomp, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:38, Reply)

Like fuck it will.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:39, Reply)

But flexible screeennnsss!!!!
Although, I read this and was like "wooahhh" arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1112/1112.3488.pdf
(PsychoChomp, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:43, Reply)

So basically fuck it, the protestors are once again hippies with no actual knowledge on the subject?

( Peej, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:16, Reply)

haha, not at all
No-one really knows, everyone has an agenda, it's almost certainly not as dangerous as the hippies suggest nor is it as safe as BP etc suggest.

Actually the most important point is probably Chompy's. But for fuck's sake don't let him know.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:20, Reply)

Gotcha!
In other news I bought a new (old) bike frame. You won't approve because its a road frame but I thought i'd tell you anyway.
( Peej, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:22, Reply)

I've been thinking about getting a road bike for the commute to work. I'm fucking sick of swapping tyres over. It's either turn my current XC bike into a commuter and buy another MTB (approx cost £2K) or buy a road bike (approx cost £500)

But don't tell anyone. They'll think I've turned gay.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:24, Reply)

Well I'm doing a build myself using a mix of brand new and secondhand parts
Coming in at just over £250. I prefer doing that as I get brand new wheels and tyres etc but as long as the frame and forks are in good condition I don't really care about how new they are. The frame, bars,
and seat post are second hand but the wheels, brakes, cranks, pedals and chain etc are brand new. This is the frame www.b3tards.com/u/98480917b02b1414508e/frame.jpg which as you can see looks in damn good nick and cost me 102 quid
( Peej, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:31, Reply)

THE GASSES THE GASSES IN THE WATER>!>!!!
even though methane is perfectly natural and will be in most water anyway.

/there is a slight issue with the chems drillers use in the water forced down the well. That's more to do with them saying it's patented and won't tell people what it is rather than any evidence that it's bad.
(PsychoChomp, Mon 3 Jun 2013, 14:13, Reply)