When the system is set up so that cycling is as safe as driving a car (ie Holland) I think you'll see cyclists behaving better. I should stress again that I personally only jump red lights if there's no one crossing. And on the subject of it being the fucking law... actually lets not get started about car drivers whingeing about speed cameras.
(Pete_G, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 10:33, 2 replies)

I concur about speed cameras.
You are still wrong to jump red lights at any point, though - people crossing or no - just as it's not right to kill people with no dependents, steal stuff from the rich, or abuse people because they're poor.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 10:36, closed)

sure thing jesus

(augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 10:48, closed)

Oh you naughty, rebellious scamp, you!

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 10:58, closed)

*runs away giggling*
(augsav forgot about B3ta, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 11:00, closed)

ANYONE jumping red lights
is committing an offence. Big deal, not a problem you might think. We all stretch the yellows and we all do 32 on that long straight bit near work.

BUT red lights are there to establish a safe traffic flow. If you follow the system, you CANNOT crash or hurt anyone (or if you do, it's the fault of the council who set up the timing). Not just "it lowers the risk" like speed cameras are supposed to do. You cannot crash. Which means that blind people can cross the road at the beeps with no risk. Drivers can set off on a green light and know that no-one's going to smack into the side of them coming out of the arm of the junction.

Jumping red lights is so, so much more dangerous than speeding that it's horrifying that you two-wheeled types are so keen on it.

Saying that, watching two red-light jumping cyclists run into one another was the funniest thing I've ever seen.
( uberdeity Wondered why Owen Lars knew of the term "hell" on, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 14:09, closed)

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( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Thu 5 Aug 2010, 9:24, closed)