Hmm
I think all your points are not relevant - and untrue. You can't generalise smokers like that.

Personally, I dislike tobacco smoke because it smells vile. Simple as that.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 16:43, 2 replies)

Ennui's not on about cigarette smoke though,
his problem is with smokers themselves and their spurious rationalisations.

And yep, it does stink.
(Juan Quar is clinging to her front teeth on, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 16:48, closed)

There are "good" smokers and there are "bad" smokers
The good smokers are the ones who - quite simply - make sure that whenever they feel the need for a nicotine fix, they don't inflict the stink onto any other person in the vicinity.

Good smokers are the ones who say "Excuse me - does anyone mind if I smoke?". I have no problem with those people at all.

Personally I think tobacco is the dried-up fæces of Satan and I hate it with all my passion - but it's a case of "hate the sin: love the sinner".

On the other hand, there are the bad smokers: those people who don't give a shit about anyone else around them. This also goes for those chav mothers who walk around with their poor offspring in a pushchair, smoking right next to them. The child does not have a choice whether to be near the smoke.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 16:54, closed)

Lol
That wasn't what I was getting at... I'm trying to express the feeling that you get as a non-smoker when you find yourself among smokers and you start to think that they sense your disapproval.
( Ennui loves you, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 16:54, closed)

They can always tell
with me!
(Juan Quar is clinging to her front teeth on, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 17:01, closed)

Do you not
get that slightly bad "spoiler" feeling if you find yourself having to express a distaste for it? It immediately creates something of a barrier with some people and it's not always easy to tell who will be like that beforehand.
( Ennui loves you, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 17:10, closed)

well
perhaps you should stop being so sanctimonious and judgemental.

People don't have a right to inflict their passive smoke on you, but you've got no basis on which to equate smoking with bad moral character.

I don't like people who look down on others for any reason. You don't like smoking and you don't see why people do it. It's a personal preference, not a universal rectitude. I don't like football and I don't see why people watch it - that doesn't mean I'm right and they're wrong.

In this vein, I would love it if they banned passive football in pubs.
(jennymnemonic, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 18:16, closed)

Mmm
I don't actually think that way about smokers (obviously), but I get a sudden panic that they'll think that I think that if they find out that I don't smoke or have to object to their smoking in my presence.

Never mind. Smoking is banned pretty much everywhere now, anyway. And if you've seen the damage it causes close up, you'll know why.
( Ennui loves you, Sun 4 Apr 2010, 19:10, closed)