nraphael
did you read his post?

if so, you seem to have missed the point.

I agree with Eurosong, entirely. It's not a race thing (sorry to wave my pc credentials [as I'm not PC and think the argument stands on it's own merits], but my wife is part-forrin, my best mate [and guy I've lived with for ages] is black caribbean) but an indicator that many Brits (esp young white men that work and pay crippling taxes [my last tax month saw £1920 taken from me, before my road tax, diesel tax, council tax, VAT on purchases etc) are feeling disenfranchised and neglected.

If people need refuge, they are meant to stop in the first country they reach. We're an island for God's sake, so we are never the first country to be reached (unless you're French or Irish!).

I think immigration is to be applauded if the immigrant is not a criminal, works, pays tax and obeys our laws and follows our social mores.

I am from Yorkshire first, England second, Britain third. I obey the laws (mainly), I work, I pay my way, I don't allow my beliefs to affect the majority.

If only everyone else (immigrants included) did the same...
( disasterprone "Pyjamas caused the Holocaust", Tue 6 Apr 2010, 7:45, 2 replies)

What if you arrive by air? Or by sea?
Do yourself a favour. Do some voluntary work with asylum seekers. Listen to their stories. It'll shut you up a bit.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 18:25, closed)

Have you done some work with asylum seekers?
Have YOU listened to their stories?

I have.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 19:27, closed)

So have I.
Voluntary outreach work. You?
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:20, closed)

Yes, you?
Because I'm beginning to think you just made it up to win an argument on the internet.

I DO work with them, and 100% of me thinks you are 100% full of...
(TheSnark oh, c'mon, like you didn't see me coming, Thu 8 Apr 2010, 10:49, closed)

Christ.
Some of what you're saying here is of course sense. But you're still in the really scary area. What on earth made you stop thinking of immigrants and asylum seekers as human beings?

Firstly, lets gloss over the "ah, they all ignore other countries and come to britain". That'll be why France and Spain have no immigrant populations then, at all, right? Please, please, for the love of whatever fucking deity you follow, stop believing the shit that is written in the Mail and the Express. They don't "all come here"

Second. Those that do. They are PEOPLE. Not subhuman scum. Maybe they have family here? maybe their second language is English? Maybe the UK is considered to have a fairer system than, say, Italy, which is basically still a wee bit fascist. Who the fuck gave you the right to decide where they can and can't come to? Do you know the details of each and every case? Because I don't, so I wouldn't presume to judge, but I know this. Very few of them are coming here because the UK is viewed as a "free ride". That concept exists only in the minds of a few bigoted journalists wanking themselves into a frenzy every night while listening to "rivers of blood"

And, apparently, some people here too. Scarily.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 10:28, closed)

I love you

( Blue Star was working part time at the 5 and Dime, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 16:57, closed)