Sticking it to The Man
From little victories over your bank manager to epic wins over the law - tell us how you've put one over authority. Right on, kids!
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( , Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:01)
From little victories over your bank manager to epic wins over the law - tell us how you've put one over authority. Right on, kids!
Suggestion from Sandettie Light Vessel Automatic
( , Thu 17 Jun 2010, 16:01)
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The thing about the daft Beaks/defendants in suits
is that by putting on a suit, a defendant is playing the game. He's showing respect to the court and aknowledging his wrongdoing, and giving an impression of penitence.
As the Beaks have some discretion in sentencing and can come down hard or soft within certain limits, it makes sense to try to impress them.
Everyone in court knows this, except, it seems, many defendants.
Whenever a defendant turns up in a suit, his/her solicitor ALWAYS points it out to the Magistrates. Most defendants don't bother. They come in tracksuits, scruffy jeans, wifebeaters, Bermudas, you name it.
The courts don't want to send anyone down. The prisons are full, most offences are petty, and there are plenty of alternative penalties (tags, curfews, probation, unpaid work, fines, driving bans, compensation orders, ASBOs etc) to use instead.
So it makes sense for the defendant to play along, to give the Magistrates the chance to keep him out of prison.
If you're ever 'ad up, you'd do best to wear a nicely-pressed suit and tie, or a modest skirt and blouse if you're female. Tidy hair and clean shoes are important too. Turn your phone off.
Your brief will then grovel expertly on your behalf, with an expectation of a more lenient sentence.
The exception is where a defendant has to come to court straight from some manual work, in which case uniform or overalls are acceptable. Hands and face MUST be washed, shoes wiped and hair combed though!
The solicitor will point out to the Bench that their client is a hardworking, conscientious individual, etc.
I learned all this during my time as a lowly court usher in local Magistrates' Courts, following an M.A. in criminology. Seeing how justice actually works - what an eye-opener!
( , Sun 20 Jun 2010, 22:10, 2 replies)
is that by putting on a suit, a defendant is playing the game. He's showing respect to the court and aknowledging his wrongdoing, and giving an impression of penitence.
As the Beaks have some discretion in sentencing and can come down hard or soft within certain limits, it makes sense to try to impress them.
Everyone in court knows this, except, it seems, many defendants.
Whenever a defendant turns up in a suit, his/her solicitor ALWAYS points it out to the Magistrates. Most defendants don't bother. They come in tracksuits, scruffy jeans, wifebeaters, Bermudas, you name it.
The courts don't want to send anyone down. The prisons are full, most offences are petty, and there are plenty of alternative penalties (tags, curfews, probation, unpaid work, fines, driving bans, compensation orders, ASBOs etc) to use instead.
So it makes sense for the defendant to play along, to give the Magistrates the chance to keep him out of prison.
If you're ever 'ad up, you'd do best to wear a nicely-pressed suit and tie, or a modest skirt and blouse if you're female. Tidy hair and clean shoes are important too. Turn your phone off.
Your brief will then grovel expertly on your behalf, with an expectation of a more lenient sentence.
The exception is where a defendant has to come to court straight from some manual work, in which case uniform or overalls are acceptable. Hands and face MUST be washed, shoes wiped and hair combed though!
The solicitor will point out to the Bench that their client is a hardworking, conscientious individual, etc.
I learned all this during my time as a lowly court usher in local Magistrates' Courts, following an M.A. in criminology. Seeing how justice actually works - what an eye-opener!
( , Sun 20 Jun 2010, 22:10, 2 replies)
Yeah
I can understand it makes some difference in the impression given, but still...
I'd imagine this isn't the most silly aspect of the criminal justice system you've experienced, though. I have a few mates who are criminal lawyers and one or two in the police, and it really does sound like a bit of a mess a lot of the time.
Ah well. Hey Ho...
( , Sun 20 Jun 2010, 23:07, closed)
I can understand it makes some difference in the impression given, but still...
I'd imagine this isn't the most silly aspect of the criminal justice system you've experienced, though. I have a few mates who are criminal lawyers and one or two in the police, and it really does sound like a bit of a mess a lot of the time.
Ah well. Hey Ho...
( , Sun 20 Jun 2010, 23:07, closed)
The criminal justice system deals with PEOPLE
so it's never going to run like a well-oiled machine. Every day is different, because people are different.
Of course, the people involved aren't your normal run-of-the-mill types. They have drug and drink problems, tendencies to dishonesty and violence, addictions to habits like speeding and gambling and unusual sex...
And that's just the magistrates. ;)
( , Mon 21 Jun 2010, 7:19, closed)
so it's never going to run like a well-oiled machine. Every day is different, because people are different.
Of course, the people involved aren't your normal run-of-the-mill types. They have drug and drink problems, tendencies to dishonesty and violence, addictions to habits like speeding and gambling and unusual sex...
And that's just the magistrates. ;)
( , Mon 21 Jun 2010, 7:19, closed)
^^this
A dozen years ago I was extended an invitation to appear in front of a panel of three Magistrates and was given the opportunity to explain why I felt it necessary to conduct my motorcycle at 109MPH along almost two miles of Her Majesty's best tarmac.
I wore my best suit, was freshly shorn and shaved, and was exceedingly polite to any court official I encountered, especially the three beaks at the front of the room. I duly admitted my guilt and subsequent remorse (there was absolutely no way I could get away with pleading Not Guilty short of some moronic technicality, and I didn't know about things like technicalities back then), and vowed solemnly that it was a momentary lapse of judgement and would never, ever happen again, cross my heart. Also, while determining sentencing, would the Court please take into consideration the fact that in the two months between foolishly committing the offence and the date of the trial I had been offered a new job, which was conditional on my being able to drive (this was actually true; I didn't have to lie)?
The Magistrates left the room fora fag/tea break their deliberations and returned a few minutes later to issue their verdict. In their armoury of punishments they had at their disposal the following: a fine of up to £1,000, up to six penalty points on my license, and a disqualification of up to six months. A pretty stiff punishment, all things considered. What they actually gave me was a mere smack on the wrist in comparison.
£250, nil points, and two weeks' disqualification.
I wrote the cheque there and then, all the while biting the inside of my cheek to stop myself from grinning like a loon.
It could easily have been much, much worse. If I'd given the arresting officer any grief he might have told the truth on the report, and I'd have been facing jail time. I recently spoke with a barrister chum of mine over drinks and recalled the incident. He immediately offered the opinion that the arresting officer lied through his teeth, committed perjury, perverted the course of justice, and all that malarkey, and that I should be down on my knees thanking my lucky stars that he had done so.
You see, what I didn't know at the time (but which my barrister pal explained to me many years later) was the sentencing guidelines given to Magistrates for speeding offences. Apparently, if one is up on a charge of 110MPH or greater the reward is time inside.
The motorcycle was new, and the speedometer was still accurate and hadn't yet started to over-read (I later tested it with a GPS receiver stuffed in the map window on the top of my tank bag).
I'd actually been doing 124, flat-out. The bike wouldn't go any faster.
Politeness costs nothing, but can reap rewards. And when in court, wear the right costume, follow the stage directions, and say the right lines. It's the performance of a lifetime.
( , Wed 23 Jun 2010, 22:55, closed)
A dozen years ago I was extended an invitation to appear in front of a panel of three Magistrates and was given the opportunity to explain why I felt it necessary to conduct my motorcycle at 109MPH along almost two miles of Her Majesty's best tarmac.
I wore my best suit, was freshly shorn and shaved, and was exceedingly polite to any court official I encountered, especially the three beaks at the front of the room. I duly admitted my guilt and subsequent remorse (there was absolutely no way I could get away with pleading Not Guilty short of some moronic technicality, and I didn't know about things like technicalities back then), and vowed solemnly that it was a momentary lapse of judgement and would never, ever happen again, cross my heart. Also, while determining sentencing, would the Court please take into consideration the fact that in the two months between foolishly committing the offence and the date of the trial I had been offered a new job, which was conditional on my being able to drive (this was actually true; I didn't have to lie)?
The Magistrates left the room for
£250, nil points, and two weeks' disqualification.
I wrote the cheque there and then, all the while biting the inside of my cheek to stop myself from grinning like a loon.
It could easily have been much, much worse. If I'd given the arresting officer any grief he might have told the truth on the report, and I'd have been facing jail time. I recently spoke with a barrister chum of mine over drinks and recalled the incident. He immediately offered the opinion that the arresting officer lied through his teeth, committed perjury, perverted the course of justice, and all that malarkey, and that I should be down on my knees thanking my lucky stars that he had done so.
You see, what I didn't know at the time (but which my barrister pal explained to me many years later) was the sentencing guidelines given to Magistrates for speeding offences. Apparently, if one is up on a charge of 110MPH or greater the reward is time inside.
The motorcycle was new, and the speedometer was still accurate and hadn't yet started to over-read (I later tested it with a GPS receiver stuffed in the map window on the top of my tank bag).
I'd actually been doing 124, flat-out. The bike wouldn't go any faster.
Politeness costs nothing, but can reap rewards. And when in court, wear the right costume, follow the stage directions, and say the right lines. It's the performance of a lifetime.
( , Wed 23 Jun 2010, 22:55, closed)
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