well this is the problem outlined above,
nobody seems to have a definition of it. Everybody seems to have a vague woolly sense of what it is in everyday practice, but nobody, when asked, can actually say what it is.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Jun 2009, 15:12, archived)

Well, down there I said 'will doing this harm anyone else?'
But I suppose that's no help when dealing with punishment. Personally I'd like to see punishment much more about rehabilitation than just revenge.
( my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Tue 16 Jun 2009, 15:17, archived)

oh yes,
me too, I see no moral value in punishment at all unless it's intended to change someone for the better. Otherwise it's just self-satisfaction.
( Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Jun 2009, 15:30, archived)