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This is a link post Lets try Ceasium........
I've no doubt most have seen these sorts of reactions before, but I remember this exact one from my School days, I found it fascinating at the time and love the matter of fact way he suggests the 5th metal!

GC Be damned!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:24, Reply)
This is a normal post :¬D
Makes you wanna try Francium...

Also, lo and behold, your students have been thoroughly taught the alkali metals, and are likely to remember them.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:27, Reply)
This is a normal post I've always loved science-y stuff anyways,
Throw in a few explosions and I'm totally sold!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:44, Reply)
This is a normal post from memory
i think it's almost impossible to actually have Francium as it reacts so quickly almost everything...

I do love this video, takes me back to 2nd year high school chemistry
(, Thu 9 Jun 2011, 12:14, Reply)
This is a normal post "Things gradually become more terrifying as we go down the group" :)

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Just like Abba.........
Oh wait, you said go down the group, not on..........
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:46, Reply)
This is a normal post Try and get this out of your head after watching
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljsUVDOcYB0&feature=player_embedded
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:37, Reply)
This is a normal post A Japanese cover of Tom Lehrer?
I love the internet...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 17:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Note this down in your copybook.........................................................................NOW!
I actually remember watching this exact video too
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:14, Reply)
This is a normal post I remember this one too.
I guess that either means that this particular video was much better than all the others or they were the ones willing to try it!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:22, Reply)
This is a normal post I too remember this!
Felt disappointed after that we not allowed to try this out ourselves.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:30, Reply)
This is a normal post I remember this video
I also remember a truly awesome science teacher called Miss Penfold (i think) who got hold of some lithium, placed the giant petri dish thingy with water in it ON TOP OF the overhead projector, then put drops of food colouring in and projected the trippy whizzing around lithium on the classroom wall.

it was awesome, best science teacher ever. Though she failed to teach me what the name of the big glass petri thingy is actually called.

Also the day before a "meet the teachers" parents evening she accidentally set fire to her classroom ceiling with magnesium powder.
(, Wed 8 Jun 2011, 0:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Sounds fantastic.
My sister is a science teacher, I'll suggest that she do this (if they even have overhead projectors these days).
(, Fri 10 Jun 2011, 0:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Yay, classic chemistry! I remember watching this exact video too.
Anyone wondering why they didn't use Francium: it's radioactive and extremely rare. At any one time there's about 20g of it in the whole Earth - so it's not something you'll find in the lab store cupboard.
(, Thu 9 Jun 2011, 12:48, Reply)
This is a link post Bad Idea...

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:10, Reply)
This is a link post Idiots Complain About A Statue
See how often you face palm...

GC sagt nein, search isn't working; sod it I'm posting it.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Simpsons did it!
As the street names suggest, these people clearly have issues being mature.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:20, Reply)
This is a normal post Wanted man
Well I went to sleep in Sreeport,
woke up in Abilene
wondering why the hell I'm wanted
at some town halfway between.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Mummy mummy whats that
Well billy, you have one too don't you?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Is that David?
It looks more like an oversized He-Man figurine.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:42, Reply)
This is a normal post So when a kid asks wtf is that between his legs
You act confused and change the subject.

Its a penis, a PENIS! You pee out of it and you make babies with it, what the big deal!

Obviously no need to go into detail like docking, throat fucking and electro stimulation.

They have to find out about the good stuff on their own like the rest of us.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:56, Reply)
This is a normal post on /links

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:32, Reply)
This is a normal post fucks sake
how can they see a tiny marble Italian dude's junk? Dave's only packing a 1 inch love muscle!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:00, Reply)
This is a normal post *sigh*

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:14, Reply)
This is a link post Viña Rock 2008 - Emir Kusturica & The No Smoking Orchestra
Mad, skillful folk band.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:03, Reply)
This is a link post Extreme Low Pass
Here's a cockpit view for those that were calling fake. Insane.

EDIT. It's 1 min in.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:55, Reply)
This is a normal post I love that!
I would have said it wasn't fake in the first instance. Great bit of flying.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:01, Reply)
This is a normal post ALSO FAKE!!
*fingers in ears* LALALA EVERYTHING ON THE INTERWEB IS FAKE EXCEPT ME LALALA!

It's getting to the stage now ya may as well just enjoy the visual and forget the means...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:05, Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't call fake on the original, but I am on this one. I can tell by the pixels...
:)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:11, Reply)
This is a normal post Awesome

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:22, Reply)
This is a normal post That's aboviously Microsft Flight Sim
with the "pants wettingly good" mod on.

*obviously Microsoft. damn you fingers, you fail me again!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Well, that is recognisably the same event as the first video.
I lol'd at the HUD flashing up ALT halfway through. :¬)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:35, Reply)
This is a normal post definitely not Kirsten Dunst

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:42, Reply)
This is a link post I hate Grandpa Joe
I also liked this comment..
"I watched this silly film many years ago with a floor-full of little kids. When it finally ended, there was deep silence. Then a five-year old said, “COULD happen.” Best review EVER."
lol
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:54, Reply)
This is a link post Ronnie Corbett loves fanny
Apparently.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:21, Reply)
This is a normal post don't we all!
:)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:39, Reply)
This is a link post Graphic detailing the 100 highest paid footballers in the world
Lots and lots of zeros knocking about
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:48, Reply)
This is a normal post overpaid drama queens
look how hard professional rugby players work for their meagre salaries
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post I've often wondered that
as a man pretty much outside of the whole arena of sports of any kind it seems to me:

Football: Bunch of poncy posers skipping about kicking a ball terrified someone might touch their face and ruin their sponsorship deal: paid fecking millions and treated like gods, living in mansions and worshipped as the epitome of manhood by all.

Rugby: Bunch of big hard hairy arsed bastards, literally putting their lives on the line for the sakes of a sport they seem to truly believe in, and have athletically adapted themselves for to the point of looking scary as fucking hell: they get a free bus home to the 3 bedroom house they can just about afford the mortgage to.

Summat gone a bit wrong someplace no?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:35, Reply)
This is a normal post I disagree
the vast majority of footy players earn about the same as rugby players, it's only a tiny top percentile that earn megabucks - and even then it's justified because of the huge revenues generated by their employers (the teams).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sticking up for the prima-donna behaviour of the few - just saying that if rugby was as popular, the revenues would be equally as high and so would the wages, and the superstar mentality would be sure to creep in... just as you get some Hollywood stars who are decent, down to earth people; and some that are like Tom Cruise.

/my-two-pence
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:17, Reply)
This is a normal post S'all true - simple economist of supply and demand
It's why Rooney is paid shit loads and a nurse is not... as the song goes "there's only one Wayne Rooney" but there are a lot of nurses and even more people capable of doing the job. It is a saturated market - if not here, we can ship them in from abroad. The very top level of footballers though are a rare bread and generate a huge amount of money for their clubs.

It's just a shame they are such a bunch of utter fuckwits and nurses do an fundamentally important job with little thanks or pay.

I think a solution could be to withold a large percentage of their wages from them until they have retired from the game. At least they can then grow up a bit, be able to handle life a bit better, dedicate themselves to their profession without the draws of slappers and flash cars - and if it still goes wrong, they can have a break down in the privacy of their own lifes not while they are put on a pedastal as heroes and flogged by the press.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:57, Reply)
This is a normal post I'm in two minds on footballers pay
on one side they generate lots of revenue via sponsors/TV/gates so good luck to them. On the other hand most appear to be absolute ape-like fuckwits who struggle to connect two words into a sentence and would probably knife you if you walked towards them on the street.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Judging by the current slew of scandals all over the news,
I'd say you'd be terribly lucky if a knife was all they slipped into you...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:23, Reply)
This is a normal post ha ha!

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Reply of the week!
*Tips hat respectfully*
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly
No-one in the football world gets paid shitloads unless it worth it to the club. Even if it means sticking them on a bench to stop other teams getting hold of them.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Hmm
I wonder how many football clubs are really profitable as a business. I can't believe they can really support the total costs of the club, particularly with such salaries. I can only assume they are loss leaders for some other revenue-generating activities, or serve as handy fiscal mechanisms for reducing overall tax liability somewhere else.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:38, Reply)
This is a normal post If the cash didn't go to them it'd go to shareholders/owners
then again, if they didn't earn so much it wouldn't cost fans nearly a grand for a season ticket. I'm off to have a big argument with myself now
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post At least most high paid footballers live in the UK and pay tax on it
Unlike those bastard F1 drivers!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:44, Reply)
This is a normal post "Lots and lots of zeros knocking about"
Zero talent, more like! Amirite?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:22, Reply)
This is a normal post Interesting to see....
the longest list is our 'home grown' talent - which can only muster a 2-2 draw against Switzerland - of which they have zero players in this graphic..
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:57, Reply)
This is a normal post Did you see that ludicrous display last night?
/ac
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't get me wrong it's a stupid amount of money
but then again, look at the Hollywood top ten


1. James Cameron 175 million euros
2. Johnny Depp 68m
3. Steven Spielberg 54m
4. Christopher Nolan 49m
5. Leo De Caprio 42m
6. Tim Burton 36m
7. Adam Sandler 34m
8. Todd Phillips 23m
9. Taylor Lautner 23m
10. Robert Downey Jr 21m

I got the list here

(http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2011/03/hollywood-top-earners-201103?currentPage=1)

I don't see outcries about how morally bankrupt Johnny Depp is for taking home 5x that of the world's top paid player

The top paid footballer (Messi) wouldn't get in the top 40
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:52, Reply)
This is a link post "That probably won't happen tonight" - (Lulzabye)
Awwwww....daddy sings his son to sleep. Funniest thing I've heard in AGES.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:15, Reply)
This is a normal post Reminds me of this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGfx7hFBhhs
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Thas quite clever,
didn't make me laugh but enjoyed it...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:36, Reply)
This is a normal post What the fuck!
Send Michael Bay to jail for making it APPEAR that he's blown up some buildings.

Oh and for making shit films
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:36, Reply)
This is a normal post fucking hell
make sure you get those full consent forms signed whenever filming anything in america
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:49, Reply)
This is a normal post I've ahd to read that about 3 times to try and get what it means
it's worded very oddly at the start there.

He took some footage of a bunch of kids off someone else's video online and edited in himself appearing to be singing a sexually explicit song to them, I think.

I can see why the parents of the kids wouldn't be pleased but the reaction smacks a lot of hysteria whipped up by outside forces...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:03, Reply)
This is a normal post I can understand why parents would be fuck-annoyed at this
but at the same time he's not going to leave prison and start fondling kids ffs. Fail on both sides as far as I can see :(
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:17, Reply)
This is a link post Last Man Standing - Everything Must Go...
Really loving this track - great video too...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:50, Reply)
This is a link post Top 5 Regrets People Make on their Deathbed
1. I wish I’d had the courage to live a life true to myself, not the life others expected of me.

2. I wish I didn’t work so hard.

3. I wish I’d had the courage to express my feelings.

4. I wish I had stayed in touch with my friends.

5. I wish that I had let myself be happier.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:43, Reply)
This is a normal post why have regrets on your deathbed?
you'll be dead any second, nothing will matter either way then
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:46, Reply)
This is a normal post aren't there 12 virgins waiting for me?

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Well I'm only failing on one of those
and that's staying in touch with old friends, as I've thus far refused to do the social network online thing, but as EVERYONE now seems to and I'm effectively out of the loop of social events looks like I'm gonna hafta bite the bullet on that one.

Still don't get why it's considered better to get Twitbook to send an email to me instead of just doing it directly tho, or, like, y'know, talking to friends FOR REAL...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:50, Reply)
This is a normal post i wish i had looked while crossing the road
i wish i'd worn a helmet when cycling.

I wish i'd thought of something clever to say before i....
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:50, Reply)
This is a normal post I wish I'd fallen asleep and died peacefully like my grandad
not screaming in terror like his passengers...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:57, Reply)
This is a normal post My grandfather died in a concentration camp
Fell off a guard tower
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:26, Reply)
This is a normal post Ha!
:)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post When (former poet laureate) John Betjeman..
was interviewed towards the end of his life, he was asked if he had any regrets.
He replied "I wish I'd had more sex."
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:20, Reply)
This is a normal post i think it was voltaire
that said when asked to renounce satan

"i dont think nows the time to be making new enemies"
if anyone pulls out a snopes link to piss all over that...i will stab you with a pair of cheap sunglasses.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:27, Reply)
This is a normal post What like this one?
http://www.snopes.com/people/voltaire.asp
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:32, Reply)
This is a normal post takes of cheap sunglasses
breaks cheap sunglasses

edit: fuck you!:)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh you!

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:36, Reply)
This is a normal post ...
www.snopes.com/critics/voltaire-satan.asp
[edit]DAMNYOUJOE!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Gah. Double-done

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:36, Reply)
This is a normal post You should be so lucky honky-tonk.

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:45, Reply)
This is a normal post snopes
pissing on fun from a great height since... FOR FUCKING EVER

edit: for fucks sake...fuck you too! :)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Mwahahaha to you both!

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Grow up you two!
According to the wiki page the last words are "For God's sake, let me die in peace."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire#Death_and_burial.

Sorry to piss on your chips mate.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:48, Reply)
This is a normal post Suspicious purple link is suspicious.

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:59, Reply)
This is a normal post ^

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Arse, forgot about purple linkage....

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:14, Reply)
This is a normal post nice try....
okay i didn't get it till i saw the other post,
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post From John Mortimer...
"I saw my father dying in the bedroom upstairs. He wanted to have a bath, and I said he couldn’t get up and have a bath. I said, ‘Don’t get angry.’ And he said, ‘I’m always angry when I’m dying.’"
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:44, Reply)
This is a normal post Anyone interested
on this topic. There is a book, which is a bit more scientific. The results are not that suprising, but if you're looking for affirmation :-)

goo.gl/KykF6
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:32, Reply)
This is a link post Battlefield 3
E3 footage of some tank combat, looks very nice so it does
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Do you think it'll run on a 1.5ghz AMD semperon with an nvidia 6200?
please say yes :'(
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:57, Reply)
This is a normal post I use this site to test such things
www.systemrequirementslab.com/

So far it's been spot on an i'm playing games on a macbook pro with XP installed on bootcamp

Still not played the earlier battlefields so may pick those up cheap on steam first.
Need to update my war porn collection I guess.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:08, Reply)
This is a normal post That is a great bit of linkage, right there.
*doffs cap*
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:41, Reply)
This is a normal post I should really get round to upgrading my macbook pro
I'm still on 10.4.11

and BF 1942 was the best IMO... probably looks a bit dated now but had everything from subs to destroyers to 2 seater fighter-bombers, and everything in between (oh, and aircraft carriers)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:21, Reply)
This is a normal post eh?
You lost me at Do you. Is semperon like a tampon?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Every teaser makes it look more and more..
AWESOME!! oh I cant wait for this, should be so much fun.
I have not updated my gfx card for a couple of years - I am running a Nvidia gts250 O/C -handles BC2 fine on full settings but I think this game might be a step to far...
Oh well I guess I will spend my usual 150 euro and see what it can get me.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:27, Reply)
This is a normal post The horror....

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:54, Reply)
This is a normal post CLICK

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:55, Reply)
This is a normal post War!
Never been so much fun!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 16:02, Reply)
This is a link post Perhaps my favourite bit from American Psycho
Around 47 seconds, when he greet the girl.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:32, Reply)
This is a normal post The film
doesn't do the book justice. It's not too bad but the book was mind-blowing! One of the worst / best things I've read.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah
I thought the same of the book. The film is pretty good in its own right, but the book's funnier, more horrifying, and more compelling, all at the same time.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:29, Reply)
This is a link post Kaiser Chiefs new AWESOME MARKETING PLOY
Seriously, if you have to pay for mp3's, this is definitely the way to do it.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:10, Reply)
This is a normal post If you could only make it not by the Kaiser Chiefs...

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Well yes, there is this...
I imagine interactive downloads will become very much the done thing soon enough
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Call me a fuddy-duddy old traditionalist...
But I think there's something to be said for a musician saying to their audience "This is my music. This is the sequence in which I feel it is best presented. I have worked hard to make this album the best it can be. Please enjoy".

Rather than "Here's a load of generic crap. Listen to it however you like 'cos frankly it all sounds pretty much the same. Go fish."
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:29, Reply)
This is a normal post No, I get you
but like I said down there, I think the real problem with mp3s is the fact you're paying for something you never actually get to really interact with. This is a creative idea that encourages people to engage in the music they're buying again.

Granted it's no pull-the-record-out-the-sleeve-flip-it-around-and-hit-the-needle-to-the-groove, but it's a start :)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah it's a nice idea, but doesn't say much for their views on their music IMHO.
I mean - can you imagine for example Blood Sugar Sex Magic being in any other order?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Not the best example because I don't particularly rate that album :p
But no, I absolutely get what you mean. but let's be fair here, it's the Kaiser Chiefs, a mediocre indie band in a world full of mediocre indie fans. This method works for them perfectly. But this idea opens up a wealth of other possibilities for other bands who might have to accept that mp3s are the done thing now but still want to do something cool for their fans. Which is ace, really.

Meanwhile I hope vinyl never dies for old-fashioned types like you and I. I likes 'em round, black and covered in ridges.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:47, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah
ive got it on shuffle.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:30, Reply)
This is a normal post Heretic
*burns*
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:01, Reply)
This is a normal post I could not agree with this more
*tries to agree more*
...nope.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:43, Reply)
This is a normal post ^This
I recently started paying for Spotify Unlimited and I doubt I'll download an mp3 ever again, not that I have in about two years.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:19, Reply)
This is a normal post Ooh thanks for the tip!
Altho what do you do for music on the go?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:30, Reply)
This is a normal post you would need a Premium account which you would have on your phone
also, if you can try OnLive, though you need unlimited broadband, I reckon it will do for games what Spotify has done for music
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:43, Reply)
This is a normal post unfortunately
spotify does not generate the royalty revenues to save the recording industry...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah!
Worth knowing, cheers.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:42, Reply)
This is a normal post I found it jolly interesting

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:48, Reply)
This is a normal post its odd isn't it:
the internet democratises music!

only gaga makes money on spotify.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:11, Reply)
This is a normal post so?
let it collapse
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:44, Reply)
This is a normal post cos thats what we need right now
a couple of million people out of jobs.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Economically speaking
Yes, jolly good point.

Purely selfishly I agree with Mr. Plexis though, speaking as a musician. Nothing about the music industry enables me to make better music, rather the opposite, whilst giving me a minisule chance at making a shed load of money by doing so.

The Music Industry: marvellous for industry, shit for music.

(Disclaimer: having got to this point in time where I don't need them to discover geographically remote stuff any more).

*edit* and I like your point below re: access to music. Good point. So yes its also good for access to music still in a lot cases. I would still argue at the expense of the music itself, but there's a balance to be struck there for artists and consumers I guess.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:27, Reply)
This is a normal post so if you dont mind me asking
how do you make enough money to live as musician?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:31, Reply)
This is a normal post I most certainly DO
not.

:)

You see a lot of the illegal download crowd arguing that all music should be free free and that artist should subsidise their own output. And that they should be grateful that anyone wants to listen.

I don't really agree with this (and strongly object to the second bit), its obvious why they think that, but I don't have a problem with the idea of having to do a number of things to make sure I can always pay the bills, not just rely on creative output.

"Classical" / "Serious" / "Art" music has been dealing with this for a long time (I seem to remember studying a long and boring essay by Boulez or Babbit about how composers would have to rely on a range of activities to enable their creative work). Folk who wanted to spend all day writing, but had to teach etc. as well.

For me it translates to a mixture of writing, recording and performing my own stuff which doesn't always pay for itself and probably never will consistently (side argument - would I change it if it meant it did? probably not), teaching, producing and recording other people and a few days a week of non-music work.

It's bloody hard work and I inevitably have to take a lot of risks with money and time.

Would it be nice to do nothing but create full time? Yes. I don't have any ethos about not signing to a label or anything, I've just sort of started from the position of assuming that won't happen and if I want to put my stuff out I have to do it myself.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:44, Reply)
This is a normal post then you need a record industry right
maybe a better run not so fucking greedy one, but a recording industry would enable you to generate more income from doing what you love no?

but i sympathise man, i'm a comedy-ish writer and work for an ad agency, i pay the bills and get some of my ideas made without hideous changes...

but im glad there is such an industry that says "are you creative, would you like some proper money to live and that...come do this for a bit...just dont take it too seriously"

sadly its the last part people forget and become massive arseholes!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:55, Reply)
This is a normal post I think
You're sort of touching on a middle ground which I think is what I hope will happen. I almost see the music industry splitting in two and there will be one model which deals with fast-food music and another that deals with the stuff the creators and consumers genuinely care about. I think its sort of happening already, but with the funding imbalances you're describing. And I agree with you, I'm glad about a lot of what the traditional industry has done for various people.

The way I see it, there's nothing to worry about from either side of the coin. As a music consumer I see no reason to rage about x-facor, overproduced R&B or the downfall of the traditional industry model - its become something that hold no interest for me whatsoever and just plain doesn't affect me:

As an audience, the music I want to listen to (what I describe as "honest music", a pretentious genre I made up for when people ask me what I like :)) still gets made and I still get access to it, I just have to work a bit harder to find it and accept the occasionally lower production values - something I have absolutely no problem with and honestly prefer.

As a musician I can still make the music I want to make. I just have to try a bit harder to make it 100% what I want it to be :).
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:06, Reply)
This is a normal post ^This
Musicians will continue making music, let's buy it directly from them or let them get revenue from a streaming music service.

If a few thousand people lose their jobs, well that's sad, but technology has a way of doing that.

There's a whole infrastructure of admin, press and bullshit related to the music industry that the world can happily do without.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:33, Reply)
This is a normal post what industry do you work in
good sir?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:39, Reply)
This is a normal post i'm a shepherd

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:40, Reply)
This is a normal post so theres
no one in the sheep industry who does admin?

theres no press or magazines devoted to those who shepard and need sheparding tools?

cos according to your logic...they could all just do with getting fired?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:43, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, being a shepherd is very much like the music industry.
Infact, they're identical.

Glad we cleared this up.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:48, Reply)
This is a normal post so its the about what they create
one industry creates music, the other food?

im sorry why are people who facilitate music less job deserving than those who facilitate anything else?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Some interesting thought provoking viewpoints up there^
hadn't really thought of it that way, but is this therefore the death of the big multi-million concert/tour and the like!?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:41, Reply)
This is a normal post I doubt it, the big sellers will always have sponsorship/endoresements etc.
As well as money from merchandising should they wish to sell it.

Just a few thoughts, as I see it.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:45, Reply)
This is a normal post Not something
any chap could do from home on his own tho, is it, really? Is what I mean. If the big music companies fell, we would lose the whole multimillion concert with huge sets, lavish videos, merchandising and tours thing, surely? You need paid staff, advertising, organising and enacting ticket sales and all of that for all that to happen, being a musician would forever be a poor man's game done purely as a hobby if all that went away... ?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Not from day one, no
But its not necessarily out of reach of the ordinary fella, via sponsorship etc. It would take longer and require a massive amount of personal risk, but that's being a business-person. Which is what the independant musician has to be.

Your list is quite telling though - all we're losing here is industry. None of this has anything to do with music, all these things are the accoutrements (sp?) of the mythology the industry has built up. Take it all away and you're still left with a band and their songs, a will to perform and an audience. Which is all you need.

*edit* Also mythology - the concept that a hobby musician is not a musician until he is in the employ of the music industry! I've bought albums in the last three years that were written, funded and released by people who had to work on building sites to put them out and will have continue to do so to continue paying for them. Most of them, in terms of musicianship and integrity, outstrip most of what you could take off the shelves in HMV. :)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:13, Reply)
This is a normal post Well I think we should get the ball rolling by you posting links to your own music/site/shop and anyone else you'd like to share.
Huzzah!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:25, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha.
I'll be run out of town as a spamcunt. :). See profile if you're interested, its not on the whole B3ta's cup of tea so I don't tend to bang on too much. Have posted the odd track in the past though.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Don't be silly, no one will mind, just post a whole lot of indie music artists you know as well as your own.

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Righty hoi.
www.myspace.com/fraseranderson
www.myspace.com/theexistenceofharveylord
www.myspace.com/eftm

People who I think have put out outstanding music at one point or another completely under their own steam. All a matter of taste though innit.

Me:

soundcloud.com/jamesedgeandthemindstep

Also loads of people one here. Tickle, for example, has been posting some great stuff recently.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:12, Reply)
This is a normal post Nicely

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:50, Reply)
This is a normal post An indepenent artist can easily use Youtube and other free sites to get their name and music out there.
As well as sell their own merchandise, mp3's, tunics etc.

But you're right, tours, festivals etc require money, and where does it come from?
Not from some guy living on beans with his casio keyboard.

So, I don't know. Some form of corporate sponsorship I suppose, you can't get away from them.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:20, Reply)
This is a normal post gonna sound like cunt when i say this....
your enthusiasm for change is enviable,

your understanding of the way works is un-reaslistic and focuses around what YOU do....assuming that all people are similar to you,

whats good for the goose isn't good for the gander.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:31, Reply)
This is a normal post Ok.

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Interesting idea though.
Though it seems like an act of desperation.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:23, Reply)
This is a normal post blimey...can't do anything right can they...
bands dont support downloads = you money grabbing evil cunts

bands allowing downloads and free-choice = desperate bastards.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:31, Reply)
This is a normal post it's all about streaming
as i see it

or buying directly from the bands themselves

i dunno
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:45, Reply)
This is a normal post but did you see the graph?
to make 0.000000pence a month the artist has to get 4 million plays of thier song....


how is that gonna work?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:54, Reply)
This is a normal post What you're forgetting is that it's still early days for streaming music services, especially Spotify.
Which is actually being blocked in the US at the moment by Apple, I believe.

Once it's more popular the revenues will go up.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:10, Reply)
This is a normal post what your forgetting is
that its a minority of people in the world who have computers and access to high speed internet connections...
untill that gap is bridged we need a recording industry... and the millions of people that work in it (not just ridiculously wealthy execs but normal people too) need a job.
if the industry goes tits up, then the facilities to accommodate the industry become damaged, and voila, less access to lots of music...its annoying that the execs are fucking it up...but the old men in suits tend to do that...
and what if your country bans or restricts the internet...they can also restrict the type of music you consume.
just a thought really.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:18, Reply)
This is a normal post Why desperation?
It's clever. Interaction is what's missing from mp3s. I'd never buy one because I like my music to be tactile. This is bringing some of that back.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:31, Reply)
This is a normal post A part of me misses physical objects
ask a lot of folks what they're listening to on their iPod or equivalent and they have to look to see what it's called and have NO idea what it would look like if they had to identify the album in a line up of CDs, I've got stuff on mine that if I put it on random I swear I've never heard it before in my life, but was probably just downloaded on a whim one evening as it was a one-click freebie, it's all become a bit ethereal and disposable hasn't it?

I miss cleverness in the physical object that I could explore, some folks like Pink Floyd and Radiohead and such used to do all sorts of clever tricks that made the music almost insignificant to the medium itself and the packaging surrounding it, and it gave the band a sort of folklore beyond their image onscreen or facts in mags etc and was just a teensy bit magical.

Bit of a dead art now really...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:42, Reply)
This is a normal post Yep
My ultimates are Lemon Jelly. Everything they've ever released is BEAUTIFUL. Just such a joy to own.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:44, Reply)
This is a normal post I still have that live album Pulse by Pink Floyd someplace
have to wonder if I dug it out if it would still have one... ?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse_(Pink_Floyd_album)#LED_packaging
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:56, Reply)
This is a normal post All I can think of now is a sad glowing record in a dark corner of the loft
It;s made me quite heartbroken
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:01, Reply)
This is a normal post Aw!
In a box in the celler as it happens, still pull 'em out now and then for a breath of fresh air! ;)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:39, Reply)
This is a normal post ^this^
I got my first mp3 album a couple of weeks back (it's not available as a physical album), and I was really dissapointed that there were sleeve notes.

Just the tracks and a JPG of the front cover.

It sounds daft, but I felt a bit cheated.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:51, Reply)
This is a normal post How is it tactile? It's still digital, albeit with a bit of interactivity.
But I know what you mean, if you really like something you want to own it in a 'special' way and you might want to have a physical product. I suppose this lets you put your 'stamp' on it.

That said the digital format for music is here to stay and will completely replace the CD if it hasn't already.

As well doing the same for books and games.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:51, Reply)
This is a normal post I sincerely hope you're wrong there
Nothing will ever replace the physical object in my eyes, especially not digital books. Books are ACE. This is also why vinyl still has such a dedicated fanbase
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:54, Reply)
This is a normal post I love books too, but I'm afraid it's inevitable.

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Nah
If that was the case there'd be no more collectors. And you'll NEVER stop collectors, especially not with this generation. Everyone between the ages of 15 and 40 grew up with collectables as toys. It's a concept that's deeply ingrained in them, and it'll never go. The only reason it's in a glut right now is because folks don't have as much disposable income. Sort the economy out and people will start buying things again.

/Did her dissertation on this
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:59, Reply)
This is a normal post What I'm saying is, something like the Kindle and the sale of digital books will grow exponentially.
I'll be very surprised if fifty years from now books will be printed on paper and sold in a shop.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:03, Reply)
This is a normal post Digital media is far too unreliable IMO
It's unfeasible to think all reference books will be in digital form. What about academia? Libraries? Hard copies of company reports, data and other reference?

The digital age is great but it's just unfeasible for everything to go digital
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:07, Reply)
This is a normal post Imagine if you could scan the pages of a book without opening it.
Technology will speed the process up, everything is going in the cloud, I feel it in my loins.

I'm not happy about it, as we've recently seen how bad data security is.

Well, there go.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:16, Reply)
This is a normal post Take your tinfoil hat off and see my logic

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:24, Reply)
This is a normal post All books will go digital given enough time.
*chews tinfoil*
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:29, Reply)
This is a normal post a book can always be read
nasa recently had to THROW away data because there where no system to read it...can you see the fallible-ness of the digital format now?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:29, Reply)
This is a normal post Nasa now, I've mentioned data security up there^
You seem somewhat confused, I'm not saying that the digital format is perfect, I'm saying it's inevitable.

Shirley that's obvious?
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:37, Reply)
This is a normal post Do we still writet with our hands
because we have had typewriters for a while.

do we still walk with our feet, because we have had mechanised transport for a while.

do we still print out documents rather than read them on perfectly good screens?

now tell me again how digital media will replace everything...

yes digital media will become more common... but humans are a funny bunch...just cos something makes a lot of sense on paper (sic/lol) doesn't mean EVERYONE will adopt it.

but for the masses...probably.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:42, Reply)
This is a normal post yeah cos you cant buy vinyl anywhere anymore
oh hang on....
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:55, Reply)
This is a normal post You seem to have misread what I typed, I didn't mention vinyl or its availability.
All I am saying is that the digital format for music, books and games will outsell the physical versions given enough time and eventually replace them.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:07, Reply)
This is a normal post but there aren't any formats which have been totally replaced
people who like buying cd's like those who want to buy vinyl will still be able too, they will just have to go out their way a bit more...
the only real dead formats are rival formats, like betamax minidisc or laserdisc, formats which arrived at the same time as other formats...
i still believe that todays vinyl junkies, will be joined by tape junkies, and cd junkies, and eventually mp3 junkies....
i think we are probably arguing about a pedantic interpretation of a word...which is usually my form.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:10, Reply)
This is a link post Difficult Second Job: Sloth I made this!
A couple of new bits of faff we've made...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:37, Reply)
This is a normal post
oh, do calm down
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:38, Reply)
This is a normal post Tell me about it.
The irony of it all is that he's fatally diabetic.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:40, Reply)
This is a normal post I liked this.

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:47, Reply)
This is a normal post Haha! Nice!
It's generally not seen as good form to post multiple posts esp of your own stuff feller, just saying before you get called a cunt if you post another, people don't seem to like multiple similar threads, tho it seems to be deemed OK to post lots in one, but anyhoo, enjoyed that, and the last one too actually, nice sense of timing n attention to detail on both I thought!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:51, Reply)
This is a normal post Ah, damnit!
Always seem to get FAQ'd for something... Won't happen again, cheers for the heads up :)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:57, Reply)
This is a normal post No worries,
an awful lot of it ya just gotta know by being here n not everyone has the spare time to be as anal... ;)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:03, Reply)
This is a normal post I like this
Because that's the train station nearest my house.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Really!?
Arll rook arike to me!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:04, Reply)
This is a normal post Says "Stratford Upon Avon" on the light top left :)

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:06, Reply)
This is a normal post looks more like welshpool central to me

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:08, Reply)
This is a normal post Another station I've spent way too much time sat at, waiting for trains that would never arrive
And it can't be because it's not raining in the picture (though to be fair the only times I ever had to stop there were when the Aberystwyth line had flooded so I only ever saw the place in the rain).
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:12, Reply)
This is a normal post York
Worst train station EVAR for late night post-pubbing use, they would actually just completely abandon it after about 11, so if your train was cancelled, moved to another platform or late, you just didn't know.

Might be better now like, this was about a decade ago I used to have to use it regularly, but that was the first time I missed those insincere automated apologies most stations have (they were still using a person sitting in front of a mic, if he went to the loo or quit for the day, you were screwed).
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:22, Reply)
This is a normal post sadly in my experience
thats just uk train stations.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:33, Reply)
This is a normal post Well you expect that level of barren staffless ineptitude on little stations along the way
but in a fecking city that's supposedly one of the key stations of Britain and a major commuters' link to and from London, maybe not so much!

Bit shit I thought...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 13:48, Reply)
This is a normal post bishops stortford is a massive comuter town
the display saying which trains go where has been broken for a year....

last time i went there, there was rubbish overflowing from the bins, vomit from 2 or 3 days on chairs...

and they still had a go at me for smoking at the END of the platform.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:35, Reply)
This is a normal post Oh don't get me started on that
how can they get pissy about folks smoking IN THE OPEN AIR whilst surrounded by dirty great trains pumping out diesel fumes!?

I'm not even a smoker, but if I see one being hassled whilst doin no one any harm and being perfectly respectful to others, I'll stand up for the feller!

It's got nothing at all to do with 'passenger comfort', asides from teh fact the chap smoking between trains is presumably also a passenger, no one could possibly object to him over there, it's just plain snobby intolerance of others personal choices as 'a dirty habit', end of.

If they were really worried about passenger comfort they'd give 'em a bloody ashtray and the rest of us a fecking seat!

I also fucking HATE when I see office employees forced to stand in all weathers outside, or forced to leave the CARPARK, it's bloody stupid and disrespectful as hell.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:56, Reply)
This is a normal post :D
this makes me happy ha ha
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 15:00, Reply)
This is a link post Difficult Second Job: Dr Seuss I made this!
A couple of new bits of faff we've made...
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:36, Reply)
This is a normal post Love the face of the girl
love the little joke at the end!

Very nice!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:53, Reply)
This is a normal post Cheers dude :D

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:02, Reply)
This is a normal post Yes
I thought this was probably a bit more b3ta than British Comedy Guide...
(, Fri 10 Jun 2011, 14:06, Reply)
This is a link post Hardcore Bible story - (NSFW) NSFW
Modern day sweary-weary interpretation of Samuel 1, chapter 18.

NSFW for the obvious.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:21, Reply)
This is a link post Camera on a Hula Hoop
Ronseal
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:00, Reply)
This is a normal post That's pretty fucking cool
I like it :)
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:06, Reply)
This is a normal post I feel quite poorly now...

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:08, Reply)
This is a normal post *watches*
*Is stricken down dizzy with motion sickness*
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:30, Reply)
This is a normal post +points if the "hooper" was naked...
I may have just created an as yet untapped a niche porn market!
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:34, Reply)
This is a normal post Beware Rule 34...

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:47, Reply)
This is a normal post
Rolling it away would have been a better ending. But yeah, ^^ "pretty cool"
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:32, Reply)
This is a normal post Strangely relaxing
This makes me happy
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 11:55, Reply)
This is a normal post Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 12:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't feel motion sickness at all.
I just imagined that the hoop was staying still and a crazy woman was rolling around the inside of it.
(, Tue 7 Jun 2011, 14:21, Reply)
This is a normal post I've always wondered what it'd be like to orbit a lesbian :)

(, Wed 8 Jun 2011, 20:09, Reply)

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