Nice poem but I also like'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing' Edmund Burke
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Mon 6 Sep 2010, 11:05,
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A fairly dangerous quoteAs similar thinking was used to justify the Crusades, the Holocaust, etc etc etc. That said, there is some truth to it, but far too many people believe that 'justice' and 'vengence' are synonymous.
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Cassius Kray floats like a butterfly, stings like a trout,
Mon 6 Sep 2010, 11:14,
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It's only dangerous if viewed out of context like what you are doing.otherwise it's a wake up call for those who sit on their arse and celebrate just how liberal they are whilst Nazis and such round up people who are deemed as subversive. I always recall this quote:
in it's original German and then in English:
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestierte.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
(in it's original German and then in English:
Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Kommunist.
Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.
Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
habe ich nicht protestiert;
ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.
Als sie die Juden holten,
habe ich geschwiegen;
ich war ja kein Jude.
Als sie mich holten,
gab es keinen mehr, der protestierte.
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.
When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.
When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.
When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.
When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.
maiden is filmed before a live studio audience,
Mon 6 Sep 2010, 11:20,
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And yet at the same timeIt's a wake up call for the Nazis and such to round up people deemeded as subversive.
As for the quote, I've always been skeptical of the idea that people should help others because if they don't then noone will be around/able/bothered to help them. It's an intrinsically selfish view of morality (much like, to digress, most people's idea of 'karma' viz. "I should do something good so that good things happen to me").
People should not be opressed by fanatics, but a call to arms doesn't solve any problems.
(As for the quote, I've always been skeptical of the idea that people should help others because if they don't then noone will be around/able/bothered to help them. It's an intrinsically selfish view of morality (much like, to digress, most people's idea of 'karma' viz. "I should do something good so that good things happen to me").
People should not be opressed by fanatics, but a call to arms doesn't solve any problems.
Cassius Kray floats like a butterfly, stings like a trout,
Mon 6 Sep 2010, 11:46,
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Well doing nothing solves nothingand if you do nothing until it's too late then, it's just too late.
Your quotes are about not letting the fanatics rule (mob rule in your first example) then you turn that from mob rule to dictatorial rule from an oppressive regime, so what you are saying is that they are the same. In fact what you are saying is that we should oppress mob rule, but that would require a force equal to it, a dictatorial regime if you will!
It's not I that's advocating any form of dictatorship, but we can not afford to wait until it happens before doing anything else it's too late.
The Nazis were allowed to rise to power under the banner of democracy, but all the time stating they would remove democracy should they gain power as Germany needed a strong leadership that wasn't watered down by democracy.
You start by saying we shouldn't allow the mob to rule, then you say we should do nothing about it else we become the dictators. We won't become the dictators we will only become cannon-fodder of the dictators if we do nothing.
Unfortunately Freedom of Speech is not a free gift to the liberal of mind, it has to be constantly fought for in both words and actions.
(Your quotes are about not letting the fanatics rule (mob rule in your first example) then you turn that from mob rule to dictatorial rule from an oppressive regime, so what you are saying is that they are the same. In fact what you are saying is that we should oppress mob rule, but that would require a force equal to it, a dictatorial regime if you will!
It's not I that's advocating any form of dictatorship, but we can not afford to wait until it happens before doing anything else it's too late.
The Nazis were allowed to rise to power under the banner of democracy, but all the time stating they would remove democracy should they gain power as Germany needed a strong leadership that wasn't watered down by democracy.
You start by saying we shouldn't allow the mob to rule, then you say we should do nothing about it else we become the dictators. We won't become the dictators we will only become cannon-fodder of the dictators if we do nothing.
Unfortunately Freedom of Speech is not a free gift to the liberal of mind, it has to be constantly fought for in both words and actions.
maiden is filmed before a live studio audience,
Mon 6 Sep 2010, 11:56,
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