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# hahaha!
Finally B3ta is funny again!
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:09, archived)
# What would you have had Nick Clegg do?
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:10, archived)
# Well - suck me off as well would be first on my list.
Then we could talk shop.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:12, archived)
# I would have had him not go into coalition with a party that his supporters had next to no common ground with.
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:12, archived)
# So what would you have had him do?
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:14, archived)
# Allow the tories to form a minority government
and his party to vote for policies they liked without having to swallow the many, many more they didn't.
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:21, archived)
# ^This
I can kind of see why he entered a coalition - it was their first shot at being in Government and, if it had worked properly, would have got people used to the idea of Lib-Dems being in government.

But he fucked up.

So nobody will vote for them any more.

In fact he fucked up so spectacularly that people wasted the only voote they are likely to get in their lifetime on an election reform referendum by using it to 'punish' Clegg.
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:22, archived)
# Would have led to another election
which the Conservatives would have won.

Are you saying you'd rather have a conservative government than a coalition?
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:25, archived)
# It probably would have led to another election
which probably would have led to a slim majority for the tories. And that probably wouldn't be much difference to the coalition.
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:45, archived)
# This post will make everyone who reads it stupider.
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 17:05, archived)
# Good answer
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 17:29, archived)
# Hold out for at least one of his promises:
(a) Vote on full PR.
or
(b) No student fee rises.

To attempt half measures on both and then fuck up royaly on both, as well as being used as a human shield by the Tories at every turn, just shows him up as an amateur politician who never seriously prepared his party for any sort of power.
(I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:18, archived)
# Yep.
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:23, archived)
# Good answer
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:27, archived)
# ^ THIS
I feel some sympathy for Clegg because a minority government would probably have sent Britain's credit rating down the swanny, joining the coalition was a selfless act in some respects.

That said, he's been very naive in dealing with the Tories.
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:23, archived)
# So you'd be happy if any one of the Liberal Democrats manifesto promises had been implemented during the coalition?
Because lots of them have you know.
I mean for fucks sake, do you really think you've have Vince Cable creating apprenticeships in a conservative government?

I think its a real shame that the press and people who don't know that much about what is actually happening in politics have buttfucked Clegg. Perhaps this does reflect a certain naive belief that people should act in the common good and take account of the wishes of the public, but you know, that's kind of what the Lib Dems have always been about.

Taking one in the arse for the good of the country pretty much sums up what being a lib dem is all about, you can achieve a lot of good in politics as long as you don't want the credit for it.
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:24, archived)
# Anyway I'm going to be busy for a few mins
so have a political picture.

(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:33, archived)
# Maybe so, and I don't doubt they've done some good in reigning in some of the more esoteric Tory behind-the-scenes manipulations
But it still shows political naïvety to end up the butt of all the bad press when every politician lives or dies by their press profile. Instead of raising the profile of the Lib Dems to raise their vote further in future, they're embarrasing themselves at every turn and showing they didn't deserve the share of the vote they got.

They only got a late boost in this election because of their high-profile promises on student fees inspiring new, young voters that they offered an alternative to the two-party race of old. Even in coalition, there was no need for them to go back on that particular promise as they had it in the agreement that they could abstain. Even Vince Cable could have gotten away with a yes vote if the others had stayed away, since he worked on the proposal. But Clegg still urged his party to vote in favour. Regardless of its financial or economic impact, that was the single biggest political disaster he could have made and he did it, and as a result we had riots on the streets of the capital. What a dickhead.
(I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:39, archived)
# Didn't Nicky describe AV as
"A miserable little compromise" once?
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:46, archived)
# in comparison to a full PR system, yes
it's a bit like half a sausage is a miserable little little compromise compared to a full meal. but i'd take if the choice were that or 'no meal'

on clegg, i think he fucked up badly. i think there was a chance a coalition could work and he wasn't doing it for "mwahahaha! lovely power!" reasons. but from that point on, he's got it so wrong the tories are probably pissing themselves laughing in private. nice move, nick. i probably won't be voting lib dem again for a bit
(I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 17:00, archived)
# Claiming people who disagree with you are ignorant is at the very least patronising
This is a humourous mesage board, not a political debating site, and as such I am willfully returning to the level of

HA HA NICK CLEGG'S A CUNT!
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:48, archived)
# ^What she said^
With added Nelson.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:49, archived)
# I didn't call you ignorant
or anyone on here ignorant.
(I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 17:47, archived)
# Fuck off and take the Orange Book with him.
i.e. be a Lib-Dem instead of trying to lurch to the right to get votes.
(I helped save b3ta! Afinkawan Yes I can hear you Clem Fandango, Thu 16 Jun 2011, 16:21, archived)