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# my mistake
i was going from 00AD, not 33AD as i should have. i'm perfectly willing to agree that i could be dead wrong on this, but i am naturally skeptical and require some very definite proof where absolute belief is expected of me
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:05, archived)
# the problem is that any evidence from a contemporary secular source,
if fortune has preserved it in existence, is likely drowned out by the background noise. As mentioned below, grave-robbing (which is how a secular source would have interpreted it) was hardly a novelty.

We didn't uncover physical evidence of Pontius Pilate until 1961, and he was a Roman Governor. How much less can we expect something from the life of a Messianic preacher?
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:13, archived)
# true
as i say, it requires a lot of faith and i'm not a faithful type
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:15, archived)
# I just thought I'd bring it up since you were talking about "that kind of thing" and I found it interesting.
There are also weird references in the Talmud to things that happened "forty years before the destruction of the Temple (70AD)".

Then again Christianity never claimed to rest on the validity of this kind of evidence.

(by the way there was no 0AD)
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:22, archived)
# believe me
if the various religious groups can ever get together to produce a really coherent argument, which does not involve answering questions with a simple "because", i will be more than happy to listen.
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:31, archived)
# when it comes to physical or textual evidence of the existence and lives of people,
I tend to listen to scholars and archaeologists rather than religious groups. Religious groups, on the whole, don't seem particularly interested in convincing anyone except their own members.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:41, archived)
# i know what you mean
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:42, archived)
# Alas, archaelogy is very bad at determining whether particular people lived
unless they were extremely powerful. It's extremely good at putting things in a proper context, though, and revealing numerous biases and inaccuracies in the written record. (Dark age history is brilliant for that...)
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:44, archived)
# All irrelevant anyway.
Black Grape said Jesus was Batman. Recent Batman comics may point to this, as Batman was thrown back through time and worked his way back to the present day, he may have spent time as the son of a carpenter in Nazareth, but at night fought crime, speeding from his lair on the Batdonkey. This sounds far more plausible to me.
(I helped save b3ta! Smallbrainfield, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:21, archived)
# no that was Bruce Wayne
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:23, archived)
# i'm not basing religious beliefs on the say-so of some dusky fruit
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 17 Oct 2011, 16:33, archived)