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# I feel sorry for him, he may be
a scary, clown faced freak but he has had to put up with a lot of shit.
(I helped save b3ta! Scary Mary The D'oh Fairy, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:20, archived)
# I would like to add my agreement to this part of the thread.
Until such time as he is convicted of any crime.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:21, archived)
# SAVE JACKO
(I helped save b3ta! Sunshine Elephant, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:22, archived)
# Erm
I think I'll wait until the verdict...
(I helped save b3ta! Scary Mary The D'oh Fairy, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:24, archived)
# Has he been charged with something now?
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:25, archived)
# reports differ
common sense says that if a search warrant was granted then it's likely charges will follow...
(rednc, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:27, archived)
# Not really.
They'd have to find something would they.

If he's guilty, lock him up, but assumptions in criminal cases bug me.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:30, archived)
# They did issue a warrant...
www.thisislondon.com/til/jsp/modules/Article/print.jsp?itemId=7741850
(I helped save b3ta! Sea Urchin Ceviche, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:32, archived)
# Well yes,
but the issuing od a search warrant does not implicitly imply that charges will follow does it? They might well, but it doesn't pay to assume.

*edit* Should have clicked that really. Doesn't invalidate the argument though. If he's done it I hope they lock him up for a long time. */edit*
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:34, archived)
# typically
in the US, at least, if you issue a search warrant then there are strong pre-existing allegations. i'd agree that 'assume' is a nasty word, but from the reports coming out yesterday over here it would appear that they thought they'd be moving towards an arrest warrant shortly. there's to be a press conference mid-day PST.

according to court tv it's already been issued:
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3282773.stm
(rednc, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:36, archived)
# See above edit.
I'm not really defending him as such, just the principle of innocent until proven guilty.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:40, archived)
# oh, i agree completely
but i'd already read the BBC/Court TV report when i replied to your post. i just failed to explain that. sorry.

EDIT: apparently innocent-until-proven-guilty does not apply in this country anymore, anyway. see Guantanamo Bay...
(rednc, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:41, archived)
# What about that song he did at the Brits?
(I helped save b3ta! Cromagnon Don't waste my motherfucking time!, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:23, archived)
# He's off his head, no doubt about that.
Doesn't mean he deserves to be hounded.
(I helped save b3ta! supermoore: HUNG, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:24, archived)
# I think, compared to minor fraud or benefit cheating, that
a lot of his output is probably punishable under law somehow. As you say though, we shouldn't condemn him until he's found guilty of something. Something nno-musical, anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! Cromagnon Don't waste my motherfucking time!, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:27, archived)
# except
for a tendency to inappropriate contact with minors.
(rednc, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:27, archived)
# Yes, yes it does
Bring back Bedlam I say!
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:30, archived)
# Fair comment
BURN HIM!!!!!!!
(I helped save b3ta! The_Intriguing_Mr_P, Wed 19 Nov 2003, 15:27, archived)