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# with his smug 'media' student look
gah
(I helped save b3ta! lemony, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:47, archived)
# TJ: My nemesis
... at work told me, the other day, that she has an MA in Web design.

Anyone heard of such a thing?
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:50, archived)
# i think i know someone with one


but living round here he can't get a job with it
(I helped save b3ta! lemony, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:51, archived)
# what about Macdonalds?
Where'd he get an MA in *Web* Design, then?

I've heard of an MA in Graphic design, or the arts, or something, but never specifically in Web Design.

I thought she was making it up, and have been sniggering behind her back for about a week 'cos she'd told such a blatant lie to try to win an argument.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:54, archived)
# maybe i'm wrong about this guys ma course
he had a ba in web deign and then stayed on

i assumed it was the same subject
(I helped save b3ta! lemony, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:56, archived)
# sounds made up if you ask me.
ask her about the finer points of java code versus server side includes.
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:51, archived)
# she wouldn't
have a clue. I tried explaining to her why Word documents were a bad idea on a website, and she just shouted louder and louder that "That's the way we've always done it" until I ceased trying to persuade the buffoon about anything.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:55, archived)
#
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:59, archived)
# i concur
i think you are probably right weedom
(I helped save b3ta! lemony, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:00, archived)
# She's probably lying, even if it does exist.
Just, please tell me she doesn't make web pages in Word, then "Save as HTML..."???
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:02, archived)
# Worse
They use dreamweaver to create the HTML docs. Then they copy and paste *everything* into the template we created for them. So you get
HTML
head
title /title
/head
body
our header stuff /ourheaderstuff
HTML
head
title /title
/head
body
/their stuff
/body
/html
/body
/html

It's awful
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:06, archived)
# actually, a lot of them do use Word,
now that I think about it. I've got to *manually* sort the whole bloody lot out. There's no program that can fix it, because it's all *so* wrong that there are no patterns to it.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:09, archived)
# hehe...
validator.w3.org/
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:11, archived)
# dreamweaver templates are okay IF used correctly
but most fuckers dont have a clue.

personally, i hate them..

edit: they sound like they'd be better off with Contribute, ANY fuckwit can use that, without bastardising the HTML (much)
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the Greebo Warrior - Est. 2002, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:09, archived)
# also, while im on my soapbox
most people i know with some form of 'offishul' qualification in web design/development are shit at it.

i know a guy who got a degree of somesorts (ive never been to uni), and his entire course focused around frontpage and access.
can he design? can he watermelon....
(I helped save b3ta! lo, the Greebo Warrior - Est. 2002, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:12, archived)
# All a degree proves
is that you can pass an exam. IMHO.

I don't have one either.

I did once do IT Support for a course where all these graduates had to set up a mini-network (in the days before Wireless, too). Most of the graduate were OK...

Anyway, after they'd had instruction in how to set this thing up, they were set the task of doing it on their own. I watched this one group set it all up, plugging in the cables, laptops, the printer etc. They powered up their laptops, and nobody could see any other 'puters.

This one graduate, who I was told graduated with top honours from Cambridge that year, said "Excuse me, this isn't working. Fix it, please". I replied "No. If *I* fix it, you haven't learned anything". He "But thats your job". Me: "No my job is to fix it if something goes wrong. You haven't done it properly, it's not that it's not working". He: "But you're IT Support! Fix it!". Me: "no". etc, for about five minutes

Anyway, I let them struggle for another few minutes, watching this "Top Graduate" getting more and more angry, before I said "OK, do you give up? You're going to kick yourselves, I warn you...". Then I turned the power on.

He wasn't happy at all. I was happy in a smug git kind of way.

Top graduate my arse
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:20, archived)
# Hehehe.
I must admit, I'm doing a BSc Computer Networks course. I'm in the second year, but the stupidity of many of the other candidates (I don't say students for a reason) astounds me. And some of the lecturers are even worse.
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:25, archived)
# at school
My teacher rapped on the case of the BBC (yep, it was that long ago) and said "This is hardware, and this"... (bending a floppy disk.. yes they were really floppy back then) .. "is software".

Stupidly, I corrected him and was made to stand outside in the corridor waiting for the headmaster to do his rounds.

So, yep, being a teacher doesn't always mean you know what you're doing.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:27, archived)
# Patronising git!
I know, I'm not that young! Besides, you can't see me insult you now, this is in the spazz! :-P

Being a precocious little shit, I have had the misfortune of correcting my IT teachers on many occasions... Once I was in the 6th form, I stepped up a gear - and corrected the spelling mistakes my Head of Sixth Form made on a handout she gave us, using a red pen.
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:30, archived)
# sorry
didn't mean to be patronising to you... just mocking myself for being (nearly) old.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:32, archived)
# Hehe,
didn't mean it. I'm 21, but BBCs were still quite new when I got into computers... at the age of 5.

/sad geek child
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:33, archived)
# Oddly...
that's what we're giving them (Contribute). My nemesis is *so* f'ing unhappy about it. It's a beautiful thing to behold.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:21, archived)
# ARGH!
The mangled code! The mangled code! The mangled code! The mangled code! The mangled code!

Run it through the W3C validator and email them the result. ;-)
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:10, archived)
# I love how you have a Nemesis.
I, of course, am Nigh Invulnerable.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof. Slocombe, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:56, archived)
# I'll be your nemesis
(I helped save b3ta! lemony, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 11:57, archived)
# You should
always have a nemesis at work! It makes the day go a lot quicker.
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:02, archived)
# i have a
BSc in multimedia and virtual reality within computer studies.

my CV has a fold out flap on the side to fit it in.
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:00, archived)
# How very
multimedia of you.
(I helped save b3ta! The Duke Of Your Fingers feels like an old man... mmm, tasty!, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:03, archived)
# Wow!
How does that work when you're emailing/faxing it to clients?

fold-out flaps are cool.

flaps. *snigger*
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:04, archived)
# flaps, flaps of piss.
>childish sniggering here too<

[edit] S.A.S Sniggers Against Society
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:06, archived)
# beef flaps
curtains

flaps flaps flaps

louder sniggering
(weedom, Tue 16 Dec 2003, 12:07, archived)