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# being foul-mouthed isn't by nature irreverent
but irreverence can be foul-mouthed. There's a difference.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:42, archived)
# Of course there's a difference, or I wouldn't have bothered using both adjectives.
Riddle me this, Batman: where is the sense in starting a thread just to insult everybody present, and in the same breath talk about how rude everybody's becoming?
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:44, archived)
# I didn't start it just to insult everyone present
I started it because I felt like after such warm, fluffy memories of b3ta, the apparent lack of any new ones was something to be concerned about. If you thought I was just insulting everyone, then you're wrong. I was criticising the kids who spoilt it for me though. Hey, if this kindergarten thing works for you then great. I just think it's a shame my experience of b3ta had to descend so disgracefully into a parody of itself.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:58, archived)
# You essentially just walked into a room and said "I'm better than you".
Don't try to tell me you weren't conscious of the fact that everyone here would either jump on your pissy little soapbox or be offended.
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:02, archived)
# Ok, I get it, kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore
right?
Because they obviously know better.
(I helped save b3ta! monkdagola but how do you TURN a phrase?, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:04, archived)
# you have alot of fair points
and i agree with wat u say
when it started on the green board days it was quiet and humble
then the new board came in and it was great
about 6months ago being "random" and things like that became "cool" everyone was running round say "pie" and being a prark.
its getting bring now and its spoiling wat b3ta was designed for

people who love the web
(I helped save b3ta! ?, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:45, archived)
# it's kinda like, when you've been going to the same club for years
and all your mates are there, and it's always a great laugh... then a few reviews appear in the press and all manner of people come along and take over with an attitude based on what they think it's supposed to be like. Now, I'm under no illusions that I helped b3ta become what it is today or anything, I was always a punter, but why keep punting if it's someone else's party.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:52, archived)
# He says,
VERY LOUDLY FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE FUCKING DANCE FLOOR WITH A DRINK IN HIS HAND.

*sigh*
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:54, archived)
# Hold on, I'm sorry, but just because your world
appears to be ruled by your "attention seeking inner child," that's no reason to think everyone else's is. sure, I'm pissed off, but ultimately I'm opening discussion, I'm just doing it with a strong opinion. Now if you think I'm only saying all these things because I want you all to pay attention to me then you're sadly missing the point. In fact, if that is really what you think, then do you really believe I would have constructed this multi-faceted argument just to get your replies?
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:02, archived)
# "Why am I still here? This is shit" is not a multi-faceted argument.
Why are you quoting me in your response? That doesn't even make sense. And insulting other people from the outset is not a good way to open a rational discussion. It's what we refer to as "trolling".
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:08, archived)
# well no, it is reasonably multi-faceted
because I didn't just say "Why am I still here, this is shit," I explained in detail, and continue to explain what I think's gone wrong. If you felt I was just trying to insult people, then you haven't been here long enough to patronise me with statements like "that's what we refer to as 'trolling'"

I was quoting you because you seem to be under the impression that I'm just attention seeking. so much so that it appears to pervade much of your argument against me. The phrase "The lady doth protest too much" springs immediately to mind. And this isn't just rhetoric, this assertion is based on my meagre years of meeting people who when fucked up about certain issues seem to feel the need to accuse everyone else of their problem. Pretty basic psychology.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:20, archived)
# "people who when fucked up about certain issues seem to feel the need to accuse everyone else of their problem"
The end.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:30, archived)
# can you elaborate?
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:38, archived)
# i agree
also one think that will make it worse is b3ta tv

weebl and bob were great 2 years ago when jonti was making them on his lil blueyonder site with scratchspider and all the classics... then he went to tv and now school playgrounds are full of childing going mmmmm pie

do we really want 10 years olds going ur a cunt
badgers!!!
(I helped save b3ta! ?, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:54, archived)
# Important lesson:
Things do not become less good when lots of people are into them. You just find it harder to act like you're part of a special crowd.
Although the special blunt scissors and the minibus counteract this last point.
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 19:58, archived)
# wrong
part of life is being an individual
if someone started wearing the same clothes as you can started acting like u, u would be annoyed would u not?
(I helped save b3ta! ?, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:00, archived)
# Nope.
There's a difference between popularity and conformity. Do you really think everything that's any good only stays good so long as it's only an elite minority who appreciate it?
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:04, archived)
# these are wise words.
fact is, we're all cliquey. some may want to conform to the politically correct "Let All Good" side of life, but ultimately we are all different, and the more pressure a person feels to conform against their ideals, the more strongly they'll end up reacting against it. Pretty basic psychology really. I don't have to like everyone just so I can feel like a mature human being.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:06, archived)
# So. To recap:
1) You start a thread about how rude b3ta has become, and then proceed to tell us that we lack intelligence.
2) You tell us that it was better in your day when b3ta was for a certain type of crowd and met your standards of behavior, and then you start talking about how we shouldn't conform to group psychology.

I predict that your next argument, in keeping with your inability to maintain any kind of logical point or continuity of rhetoric, will be about how ice cream should be called Dave.

I repeat: *sigh*
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:13, archived)
# I don't care how rude b3ta has become
I care that it feels more like an open day for junior school kids with no parents around. When I started frequenting the board I'd guess the average age was mid-twenties. Some people, like bananaman turned out to be 16 and you just wouldn't have known from their manner. Nowadays the average age seems to be mid-teens. This in itself is fine of course, it's just a world apart from what I used to know and love.

you also assert that I said you all lack intelligence. Perhaps, comparatively, since the average age of board members has dropped. I'm not saying you're stupid, I'm saying you'll have a different outlook on things when you're ten years older.

2) it was better in my day. Using phrases like "my standards of behaviour" is such a loaded argument that it doesn't really bear much inspection, but nonetheless I will. People gravitate towards others who are like them. This is a fact. It is this behaviour that helps you to assert your own individuality as you need to stand out from that crowd to find yourself. All well and good. But when the crowd and the crowd's modus operandi changes in your environment, it makes you pissed off. This is my situation.
(I helped save b3ta! .spanky is singing "PEANUTS!", Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:29, archived)
# messageboard.
(schnurricane?, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:55, archived)
# being an individual
is not about being the same as everyone else in a small gang, instead of a big gang. It's about being yourself. And I'm not going to stop liking something just because everyone else has started liking it too. That wouldn't be being an individual, it would be deliberately not being like myself in order to make some sort of a point.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:07, archived)
# Well
said.
(The Ghost of Stephen Foster, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:08, archived)
# No, it doesnt make it less good.
but when the new people are twunts and they start affecting the thing, then it can become worse.

(I helped save b3ta! StickFigureNinja is worried he may be on the list, Sat 10 Apr 2004, 20:06, archived)