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# not every penalty
is a given goal though is it?
fact is his miss wasn't the turning point of the game. if france hadn't won the free kick england would've seen out injury time without conceding

edit: 2-0 would've made the win a little more secure, but we were holding them perfectly fine - they had minimal chances
(I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Mon 14 Jun 2004, 14:51, archived)
# not every penalty is a given goal
but the goalie should have to make a fantastic, brilliant save for it not to be a goal. Barthez's save was ordinary. He dived the right way and easily got his hands to it.

Look at Zidane's penalty. Even if James had gone the right way, there would have been little cahnce of him getting it.
(I helped save b3ta! fishsticks, Mon 14 Jun 2004, 14:55, archived)
# you make a good point
but the goal wasn't required.
we were well on our way to winning the game until heskey fouled vieira
(I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Mon 14 Jun 2004, 14:57, archived)
# *gets back a bit late*
er, yeh: what he just said!
(I helped save b3ta! frunt It's been a while..., Mon 14 Jun 2004, 14:58, archived)
# Technically no,
the goal wasn't required, we could have won 1-0, but any team 2 goals down on 90 minutes will tend to give up a bit, even France. And any donkey strikers whose team are 2 goals up don't tend to track back and try to defend much.
(I helped save b3ta! fishsticks, Mon 14 Jun 2004, 15:00, archived)
# the 2 goal lead
would've obviously have been a better cushion for us but again i say we were well on our way until heskey gave away the free kick
(I helped save b3ta! applehead herp derp, Mon 14 Jun 2004, 15:04, archived)