It was done by the board of education (or whatever it's called over there).The issue I have with this is that it is teaching people that humans (and the earth) have only existed for 2000 years, since the birth of Adam and Eve.
They teach similar things in these fundamentalist theocracies that you have such an issue with.
Edit: I'm not denying that the constitution still has weight, but these days a decision is regardless of the constitution and there is more of a 'let's see if anyone notices' attitude.
(They teach similar things in these fundamentalist theocracies that you have such an issue with.
Edit: I'm not denying that the constitution still has weight, but these days a decision is regardless of the constitution and there is more of a 'let's see if anyone notices' attitude.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:15,
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The difference isthat even in the few places where they might do this in the US, they also teach alternatives, and they don't stone you to death if you dare to question the creation theory.
Quite different from Iran, or pre-liberation Afghanistan.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:17,
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Quite different from Iran, or pre-liberation Afghanistan.
This isn't the point we were arguing.Do you think that the lines between church and state are becoming a bit blurred of late?
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:29,
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No, I don't.It's just a myth being pushed by people who don't like the fact that Bush won the election.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:33,
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Nah actually it's more an observation of what is being attempted to be legislated
I don't think you've been to iranI've heard first hand that it's bad, but not nearly as bad as you're making out.
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I've never been therebut it is extremely bad. Young girls are executed for having sex. Dissidents are imprisoned. Two bloggers got sentenced to 14 years for criticising the government.
Iran is a true theocratic state in perpetual, massive violation of human rights.
See more here.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:38,
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Iran is a true theocratic state in perpetual, massive violation of human rights.
See more here.
Human rights get violated all over the world...Venezuela, Tibet, Russia... Should America 'fix' those countries too?
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:41,
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In due courseif necessary.
Probably they'll all just reform themselves.
Egypt is going to start allowing proper elections for the first time, I hear.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:44,
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Probably they'll all just reform themselves.
Egypt is going to start allowing proper elections for the first time, I hear.
Yes indeed.At the moment, the biggest immediate threat takes priority.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 6:45,
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The idea that America is the nanny of the world is sickening. gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social,
Sun 27 Feb 2005, 7:05,
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I just want to know who they think gave them the authority to do that(, Sun 27 Feb 2005, 7:08, archived)
You would prtefer the USSR maybe?Or Nazi Germany, or the Ayatollahs?
It's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. Besides, it isn't just the USA, it's all of us democratic/capitalist/liberal countries.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 7:09,
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It's a hell of a lot better than the alternative. Besides, it isn't just the USA, it's all of us democratic/capitalist/liberal countries.
MeddlingGah, it just winds me up something rotten.
The US is being run by a bunch of fucking meddlers. The stated goal of the currently selected ones is to meddle as much as possible in other countries, to benefit the USA's peace and prosperity as much as possible.
We must never forget this: The Iraq war was sold to us, the public, as a threat to our existance. We were told it was all about Iraq's imminent threat to us; not its neighbours, not its people, but us in the UK and the USA. It was never sold to us as a humanitarian mission. It was never about "spreading democracy". It was all about those Weapons of Mass Destruction - the ones that the USians, having invaded and conquered a sovereign country, have now completely given up finding. There are no "WMD". Iraq was not a threat. They lied through their teeth to get acceptance for their war, the war they'd wanted back in 1998 (and probably earlier).
There have been many regimes, movements and ideologies in history. Most burn themselves out. You can't defend a bad ideology by saying "look over here! This one's worse!". It doesn't work like that.
If you want to know what the future will be, look back to the British Empire. We pulled some dirty shit. We oppressed the USians so badly, they turned into exploitative, gun-toting crackpots that exploit countries for their own ends, installing dictators (Saddam, Pinochet, Noriega, etc.), taking over countries to suit their own ends. What a legacy.
Personally, I want each country to individually solve its own political problems. If there are political crises, countries should work together, not threaten to blow each other up. Powerful countries should offer help, not impose it. If they want to appear charitable, they should offer help to all oppressed people, not just the ones that, if they won their conflict, would turn a country's position to the advantage of the benefactors.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 9:27,
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The US is being run by a bunch of fucking meddlers. The stated goal of the currently selected ones is to meddle as much as possible in other countries, to benefit the USA's peace and prosperity as much as possible.
We must never forget this: The Iraq war was sold to us, the public, as a threat to our existance. We were told it was all about Iraq's imminent threat to us; not its neighbours, not its people, but us in the UK and the USA. It was never sold to us as a humanitarian mission. It was never about "spreading democracy". It was all about those Weapons of Mass Destruction - the ones that the USians, having invaded and conquered a sovereign country, have now completely given up finding. There are no "WMD". Iraq was not a threat. They lied through their teeth to get acceptance for their war, the war they'd wanted back in 1998 (and probably earlier).
There have been many regimes, movements and ideologies in history. Most burn themselves out. You can't defend a bad ideology by saying "look over here! This one's worse!". It doesn't work like that.
If you want to know what the future will be, look back to the British Empire. We pulled some dirty shit. We oppressed the USians so badly, they turned into exploitative, gun-toting crackpots that exploit countries for their own ends, installing dictators (Saddam, Pinochet, Noriega, etc.), taking over countries to suit their own ends. What a legacy.
Personally, I want each country to individually solve its own political problems. If there are political crises, countries should work together, not threaten to blow each other up. Powerful countries should offer help, not impose it. If they want to appear charitable, they should offer help to all oppressed people, not just the ones that, if they won their conflict, would turn a country's position to the advantage of the benefactors.
Your source is "http://regimechangeiran.blogspot.com/"got anything more factual and less opinion driven on the matter?
Also what's the big deal with iran having nuclear weapons? I mean, america's got the most bombs, france has a few, china has shitloads, russia has so many they don't even know what to do with them, north korea probably has the bomb, india and pakistan like to show their bombs in parades... but right now iran is the demon! They could fesably have A BOMB! (but no delivery system)
The american leadership is blowing the shit out of their neighbours and they're scared that they'll be attacked... do they really want to give up whatever bargaining chips they have? They're not stupid, despite wearing funny things on their heads
Also... both Australia and America have also got really shoddy human rights records of late, although not publicised/performed on the same scale. I don't think we're in a position to judge "what's best" for others.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 7:05,
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Also what's the big deal with iran having nuclear weapons? I mean, america's got the most bombs, france has a few, china has shitloads, russia has so many they don't even know what to do with them, north korea probably has the bomb, india and pakistan like to show their bombs in parades... but right now iran is the demon! They could fesably have A BOMB! (but no delivery system)
The american leadership is blowing the shit out of their neighbours and they're scared that they'll be attacked... do they really want to give up whatever bargaining chips they have? They're not stupid, despite wearing funny things on their heads
Also... both Australia and America have also got really shoddy human rights records of late, although not publicised/performed on the same scale. I don't think we're in a position to judge "what's best" for others.
Check the links for the sources.Many countries have nuclear weapons, but none of them are Islamofascist theocracies that believe in self-martyrdom. That's why Iran is so dangerous.
And if you really think that human rights in Australia/America are in any way even remotely similar to human rights in Iran/Taliban-Afghanistan, you are very deluded.
Instead of dismissing things out of hand, you should do some real research.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 7:12,
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And if you really think that human rights in Australia/America are in any way even remotely similar to human rights in Iran/Taliban-Afghanistan, you are very deluded.
Instead of dismissing things out of hand, you should do some real research.
I'm saying that those links are selectiveI read it before posting;
the blog is a collection of opinions and facts to support what they want to say and as such there are better ways to locate information on this topic. It's a bad index.
If you're researching unbiased information on this subject... this page is not the first port of call.
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Sun 27 Feb 2005, 7:33,
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the blog is a collection of opinions and facts to support what they want to say and as such there are better ways to locate information on this topic. It's a bad index.
If you're researching unbiased information on this subject... this page is not the first port of call.