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# sigh
if you want Labour to stay in, vote Labour.

You cunt.
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:32, archived)
# If you want me to vote Labour
get rid of Blair
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:33, archived)
# if you want to get rid of Blair, you have two options
either join the Labour party, become an activist and work for change within the party.

or make a Flash animation of a singing Michael Howard.

one of these will take a lot of hard work and may just get some results at some point, the other enables you to look cool and anti-establishment whilst doing no real good and possibly some harm.
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:36, archived)
# oooh, get her
PS- www.biggerthanblair.org/
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:37, archived)
# why wait till he leaves office?
it really baffles me why so many people leave the Labour party cos they don't like Blair.

If you don't like him (and I'm none to keen on the two faced git), stay in the Labour party where your protests will be heard more clearly.
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:40, archived)
# because
one path involves words
and the other requires action
(I helped save b3ta! Manic can teach you the secret of fire, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:43, archived)
# true
but some of the people who are leaving are the kind of people who could make a difference (influential journalists and whatnot). And if one person is making a fuss, there's an extra option: tacit support. It's cheap, it's easy and it makes a difference.
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:46, archived)
# The problem is the Labour Party isn't the 'Labour' Party anymore
Tony Blair isn't just the figurehead of this new Thatcherite party he's the whole reason for it's exsistance. Even without him it wouldn't be the Labour Party - people need to move on and find a genuine socialist alternative.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:44, archived)
# now, there's a whole host of reasons why I disagree with anyone saying Labour is "just as bad as Thatcher"
but I'll stick to muttering "Sure Start".

And if you don't vote for anyone, then I'll be blaming you if the Tories get in.
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:48, archived)
# Then you're a fool
you blame those who have become disenfranchised rather than blame the system and the fact that genuine socialists are kept out of democratic process. Blame me if you like but you'd be wrong to do so, and carry on in you delusion that the Labour Party will come good eventually. I'll stick to Trade Unionism from the rank & file!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:51, archived)
# fair enough
at least you're doing something

*buries hatchet*

*leaves handle sticking out of the ground, just in case*
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 10:02, archived)
# For me to vote Labour ever again would require
a socialist revival within the rank and file membership. And that doesn't mean the likes of Benn and Galloway and Livingstone but real socialists.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:41, archived)
# so who _are_ you going to vote for?
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:42, archived)
# No one
and I don't care whether that means a bunch of wankers rule the country, because at the end of the day unless the Left is united then whatever you might think we ARE disenfranchised and no amount of voting/activism within a corrupt Labour Party will put it right.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:47, archived)
# if everyone thought that way
we'd still have serfdom*




*may be a huge exaggeration, but less so than that "Blair is as bad as Thatcher" bollocks
(I helped save b3ta! manwithunderpantsonhead older than a Time Lord, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:49, archived)
# We'd have Revolution!
instead of a system run by beaurocrats and self-appointment disciples of Capitalism.

And Blair is as bad as Thatcher but he's clever with it as he tries to fool people into thinking he's doing all this stuff in their interests but he will run the country into the ground just as sure as Thatcher did only not as quickly and not be as hated as her.
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:53, archived)
# the lemon party i should expect.

;)
(I helped save b3ta! Thor_sonofodin has done things, terrible things on, Wed 27 Apr 2005, 9:47, archived)