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# increasing the price of petrol won't change anything
providing meaningful alternatives to car travel might, but that won't happen
(I helped save b3ta! Milkman Dan, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 14:58, archived)
# no investment in trains or buses
for a while
train fares are ridiculous, so no-one is going to choose that over their car
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:00, archived)
# Yes.
Under this government it has become extraordinarily expense to get anywhere by trains, which are meant to be a greener method of travel, and absurdly cheap to journey by plane, which slurps up the fuels and kill kittins.

:(
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:02, archived)
# train fares are rediculous
A return to London from where I live (in peak times) is about 70 quid! It's only an hour drive away for fucks sake.
(I helped save b3ta! mugatu, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:02, archived)
# three high speed rail links
in this country would cut the need for virtually all domestic air travel. London to Cardiff, London to Birmingham then Manchester and Glasgow and Birmingham to Edinburgh via Leeds and Newcastle. Other countries made the investment in the 70s and 80s, we never bothered.
(I helped save b3ta! Milkman Dan, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:02, archived)
# the biggest problem with public transport is not the lack of infrastucture
ior historic lack of investment

it's that the people who use it smell
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:04, archived)
# reduce the quality of the service to the point where
only a few use it, and that's what you get.
And I resent that! I wash every month
(I helped save b3ta! Milkman Dan, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:06, archived)
# ^this...
... I'd also rather be sat in a traffic jam with the fan on, listening to the radio, than standing with my face in a Fat man's armpit whilst i lose half my weight in sweat and have to listen to the same songs over and over on my MP3 player
(likeajackhammer, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:03, archived)
# hmm
I find trains the least stressful way to travel when they're on time and not overcrowded, and the most stressful when they're late and overfull.
(I helped save b3ta! Milkman Dan, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:05, archived)
# so they're the most stressful form of transport then?
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:07, archived)
# yup
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 11 Dec 2006, 15:06, archived)