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# but the universe only exists in its current form because of the
conciousness within it.

Until an act is observed, the waveform hasn't collapsed, so everything is held in potentia...
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:22, archived)
# no. that
is wrong. that is the copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics. it is wrong. probably.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:23, archived)
# but it is proved that at the quantumn level
the very act of observation changes that which is observed...
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:26, archived)
# indeed. but
that doesn't mean that what was observed didn't exist in the first place, merely that to observe something we have to hit it with couple of photons, which monkeys around with it. and that the world is a fucking weird place.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:30, archived)
# true
though the very definition of "place" depends on us defining it by being there...

;)
(I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:32, archived)
# i imagine
you're right :)

*runs off for more aspirin*
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:36, archived)
# .
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(I helped save b3ta! dogbomb, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:47, archived)
# Besides
the actions we are interested in are at the macro level, not quantum, so it doesn't matter anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! heyrudi has just found this setting, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:39, archived)
# But
you say that from the perspective of a sentient lifeform. We percieve the world via our senses, but that doesn't mean that's how the world is..?
(I helped save b3ta! Finite "Aardvark sorted out my shit!" on, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:24, archived)
# no. the
wave function is a mathematical way of expressing something we don't really understand. the collapsing of it is our way of describing an observation being made. it almost certainly doesn't happen like that.
(I helped save b3ta! stouffer, Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:26, archived)
# Blimey
this is all a bit deep for b3ta.
(I helped save b3ta! wayward., Thu 23 Jan 2003, 12:38, archived)