originality is the spice of lifecopying others is the 'i'm a celebrity big brother, let me on tellyvision!' tv show of life
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monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com,
Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:09,
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I agree.Though doesn't some of your own work look a lot like Pete Fowler's stuff?
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wheelybird mreee!,
Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:21,
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haha, i wish. he's somewhat more acomplished an artist than metho i do love his stuff, i'd say what i do to be more like anything creepy in a Hayao Miyazaki film (princess mononoke, nausicaa, etc)
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Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:28,
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It's a fascinating debate. Apologies for length. (Hopefully off the board by now).I think you're quite right, that originality is wonderful. A work that has something new can jolt yer mind sideways. But that's what originality means: something (worthwhile) that is new. It doesn't mean that everything in the work must be new! I think wheelybird's works have lots of new stuff in them. (And if you don't think the new parts are worthwhile, that's fair enough! I'm sure we all have a 20% of b3ta that we love, and a 20% that we don't care for at all.)
Similarity ≠ lack-of-Originality. An artist in Brazil can originally create a work that has surprising similarities to one created by an artist in Taipei. This happens all the time. If another awesome cartoonist arrived on b3ta, would we say "Get lost, we've got JJ already"?
Furthermore: originality is not the bee-all and end-all. Or rather, the amount of originality in a good post can be quite small and incremental: something unoriginal but well executed can still be very cool. (And for what it's worth, I think wheelybird's posts are well executed).
Copying and 'passing-off' is a different matter entirely. It would be bad if a blatant rip-off, with no originality and no skillful execution (because all the polish is simply copied), was posted as "my original work". (But surely surely surely you don't think that's how wheelybird's art or ideas came about?)
So, this is just my opinion, but: I agree there are similarities among posts by wheelybird, The Neville, etc. But I still think each has plenty of originality. And I can't see that any have been simply copied from any other. As with all opinions, I may be wrong :-)
EDIT: and Happy Birthday! (sorry, I only just noticed, up there ^), and I love your posts too.
(Similarity ≠ lack-of-Originality. An artist in Brazil can originally create a work that has surprising similarities to one created by an artist in Taipei. This happens all the time. If another awesome cartoonist arrived on b3ta, would we say "Get lost, we've got JJ already"?
Furthermore: originality is not the bee-all and end-all. Or rather, the amount of originality in a good post can be quite small and incremental: something unoriginal but well executed can still be very cool. (And for what it's worth, I think wheelybird's posts are well executed).
Copying and 'passing-off' is a different matter entirely. It would be bad if a blatant rip-off, with no originality and no skillful execution (because all the polish is simply copied), was posted as "my original work". (But surely surely surely you don't think that's how wheelybird's art or ideas came about?)
So, this is just my opinion, but: I agree there are similarities among posts by wheelybird, The Neville, etc. But I still think each has plenty of originality. And I can't see that any have been simply copied from any other. As with all opinions, I may be wrong :-)
EDIT: and Happy Birthday! (sorry, I only just noticed, up there ^), and I love your posts too.
Bee Nice |-|,
Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:52,
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That is very well put.Hurrah for well written opinions and for the art of reason!
( wheelybird mreee!,
Wed 14 Nov 2007, 12:01,
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