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# Official apology.
Yesterday it emerged that I have been causing offence and making miserable the lives of some people on b3ta by drawing images that look a little (or identical to) those of other b3ta members. Namely The Neville. In addition, I admit to stealing the idea of surreal humour from The Neville and placing it in my own head!
So here is an apology to 'monstrinho do biscoito', and I have taken his criticisms on board and produced my own brand new style which I now present to you all.

Apologies,

Wheelybird.

(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:46, archived)
# i like it, keep up the good work.
;D
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:47, archived)
# I was up all night drawing that for you.
Usually I just trace something The Neville's already drawn. ;)
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:49, archived)
# is that why this one's shit
and the other stuff is normally almost as good as The Neville's?
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:51, archived)
# No,
I deliberately avoided 'good', as someone else has done it already. :)
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:54, archived)
# well - before you get ahead of yourself
I think you'll find I have dibs on distinctly average with a twist of "I'm wooing this out of pitty for some strange sense of obligation." If it causes that feeling in your chest where you know you don't understand it and you're not sure if it's supposed to be funny - IT'S MINE!
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:56, archived)
# Although this does look like the one I did last night?


* Pffft
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:56, archived)
# hahaha
(I helped save b3ta! Debbilgrrrrl is kinda back, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:01, archived)
# ning Debs
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:05, archived)
# don't worry you're funnier than the neville :)
ning
(I helped save b3ta! prodigy69 broke b3ta and made everyone leave, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:49, archived)
# Hi!
*waves*
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:57, archived)
# Cubic head?
I might not draw very often wheelybird, but I see it's had a profound effect on you....
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:49, archived)
# Royalty cheque's in the post.
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:53, archived)
# Woohoo!
This must be what it feels like to be Moby, royalties arriving every day....
(I helped save b3ta! Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm..., Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:55, archived)
# you have copied the syle of Fauxillo Justmadeup (1863-1929)!
er, what?

don't we all copy ideas from each other and stuff we see generally

I'm sure some dude riddled with gin and syphilis once said inbetween lovers that "nothing is new"™ or whatever

I'm not fussed, I just ate beans :D

(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:49, archived)
# Were they...


...sexy beans?
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:51, archived)
# they were naked and writhing in "sauce"
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:51, archived)
# the ellusive hooded bean!
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:52, archived)
# he tried to rescue his brothers innit
but like, fork+tomato sauce+teeth=munchy apocalypse
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:53, archived)
# ladies will be wincing at that mental picture
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:06, archived)
# better out than in!
:D
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:09, archived)
# Yay! Sexy beans!
*does the sexy beans dance*
(I helped save b3ta! Sunburnt Tiger Herbie goes Piranhas!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:24, archived)
# haha
nice work
(I helped save b3ta! but the hedgehog can never be buggered at all foreskin of the apocalypse, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:49, archived)
# OH!
The Neville hosts his pictures and then posts them! You're just copying! C]:0D

Seriously ignore whingers I do!


(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:50, archived)
# yeah because you get so much flack for your stuff :)
flack worship
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:51, archived)
# speaking as someone who *does* post utter shit
i'd still ignore the whingers

but they've probably all got me on ignore anyway
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:52, archived)
# who said that?
/unfunny blog
(I helped save b3ta! sock more tea vicar?, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:58, archived)
# haha
yay, someone who's not got me on ignore

now to work on everyone else...
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:00, archived)
# you'd be surprised


(I helped save b3ta! Sir Aunty Grampa Dave the Hat - enjoying a post-meridian muncheon - Ta! Cannaoogim!?, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:53, archived)
# nothing surprises me any more
I'm nearly 28.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:57, archived)
# me too!
*high fives*
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:02, archived)
# --------------------------------------------------------------\/
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:17, archived)
# just as I expected
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:28, archived)
# why the hell would someone complain about your stuff?
theres nothing to whine about.
it's just great.
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:57, archived)
# and so bland no one could be offended by it
tee hee hee
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:58, archived)
# *slaps*
quiet you!
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:00, archived)
# *sucker punches to the back of the head*
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:06, archived)
# Loser
it's pathetic the way you copy me by using paint to draw stuff.
*ahem*
(I helped save b3ta! Doomladen ms paint lover, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:57, archived)
# Could that look anything more like some of the Neville's?
Get your own ideas, man!

(*click*)
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:50, archived)
# my girlffiend has feet surprisingly similar to those
... so she'd be interested to know where he got his shoes.

Aside from that - WOO YAY
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:50, archived)
# I bet she's got two of them aswell
it's just non stop plagarism!
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:51, archived)
# yes - you're right
this is potentially a legal minefield.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:52, archived)
# crikey!
if only there was some self appointed moral guardian to save us!
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:54, archived)
# fuck that
we need Prince to tell us what to do and what not to do.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:57, archived)
# or some kind of money leeching idiot whose hit upon an easy business plan
and gets to feel like they are some kind of super corporate thing
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:00, archived)
# dream on Dorothy
someone that cool couldn't possibly exist.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:07, archived)
# Fuck that!
We Neville clones need to stick together!

BROAM
(I helped save b3ta! We are the lemon irked your craw on, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:52, archived)
# yes!
here is my the neville image



which everyone ignored :D
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:53, archived)
# anyone who says pope will be forced to look at this:
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:59, archived)
# popepoep
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:02, archived)
# you win the game of who has more pics of the pope
you get to be called His Eminence for the day
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:05, archived)
# \o/
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:44, archived)
# Yes
Wheelybird & We are the lemon, please carry on doing what you do (beedoobeedoo).

Anybody that doesnt like it can go fornicate themselves with a rusty spork.
(I helped save b3ta! Colonel Dracula Two manky hookers and a racist dwarf, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:54, archived)
# THIS
This is the most important thing to say: Please carry on!

(NOT important things to say include
"this looks a bit like that"
"it is obvious to ME, Assessor of Originality, that you couldn't have imagined stick figures yourself, so you clearly aped/traced/robbed someone else's idea as a dirty mechanical shortcut"
"too brown"
"eat more fucksocks"
etc.)
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:04, archived)
# What about...

needs more tits
(I helped save b3ta! Wobbly Bloke Hello, did I miss anything on, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:10, archived)
# originality is the spice of life
copying others is the 'i'm a celebrity big brother, let me on tellyvision!' tv show of life
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:09, archived)
# I agree.
Though doesn't some of your own work look a lot like Pete Fowler's stuff?
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:21, archived)
# haha, i wish. he's somewhat more acomplished an artist than me
tho i do love his stuff, i'd say what i do to be more like anything creepy in a Hayao Miyazaki film (princess mononoke, nausicaa, etc)
(I helped save b3ta! monstrinho do biscoito teeeshurts = www.nogunarmy.com, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:28, archived)
# It's a fascinating debate. Apologies for length. (Hopefully off the board by now).
I think you're quite right, that originality is wonderful. A work that has something new can jolt yer mind sideways. But that's what originality means: something (worthwhile) that is new. It doesn't mean that everything in the work must be new! I think wheelybird's works have lots of new stuff in them. (And if you don't think the new parts are worthwhile, that's fair enough! I'm sure we all have a 20% of b3ta that we love, and a 20% that we don't care for at all.)

Similarity ≠ lack-of-Originality. An artist in Brazil can originally create a work that has surprising similarities to one created by an artist in Taipei. This happens all the time. If another awesome cartoonist arrived on b3ta, would we say "Get lost, we've got JJ already"?

Furthermore: originality is not the bee-all and end-all. Or rather, the amount of originality in a good post can be quite small and incremental: something unoriginal but well executed can still be very cool. (And for what it's worth, I think wheelybird's posts are well executed).

Copying and 'passing-off' is a different matter entirely. It would be bad if a blatant rip-off, with no originality and no skillful execution (because all the polish is simply copied), was posted as "my original work". (But surely surely surely you don't think that's how wheelybird's art or ideas came about?)

So, this is just my opinion, but: I agree there are similarities among posts by wheelybird, The Neville, etc. But I still think each has plenty of originality. And I can't see that any have been simply copied from any other. As with all opinions, I may be wrong :-)

EDIT: and Happy Birthday! (sorry, I only just noticed, up there ^), and I love your posts too.
(I helped save b3ta! Bee Nice |-|, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:52, archived)
# That is very well put.
Hurrah for well written opinions and for the art of reason!
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 12:01, archived)
# i don't know....
it looks like an alien i saw on star trek once...
(I helped save b3ta! ivesb Highly specialised Clinical Physiologist crapbag, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:54, archived)
# I have a nearly cubic head!
*calls the sheriff*
(I helped save b3ta! pzyko Query failed., Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:54, archived)
# Dry and unfunny text?
That's nicked for a start

Fuck'em, fuck em all.
(I helped save b3ta! Dabooka_ has changed his name on, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:56, archived)
# You feet stealing fucker! I invented feet!

Please continue in this or any other style you choose.
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:56, archived)
# I invented walls.
So people should either pay me royalties for each wall in their house, or find some other way to hold their roofs up, shelter their interiors from the elements and partition spaces.
(I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:00, archived)
# I'll be OK
I live in a hollow
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:01, archived)
# I invented the implementation of an enclosed void
that'll be £10
(I helped save b3ta! discomeats This canoe, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:05, archived)
# I invented money
so I'll have that £10 back
(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:19, archived)
# i pay four tall slaves to hold up the ceiling in each room
and i've tied long rods covered in bricks to them. looks like a wall but it's not.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:01, archived)
# This made me laugh
and seeing as I can still type after my beats I thought I'd say Woo!
:D
(I helped save b3ta! XLVII .uk, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 10:57, archived)
# haha!
(I helped save b3ta! Sunshine Elephant, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:03, archived)
# Me too....
www.b3ta.com/images/board_posticon.gif
/really goes to be this time
/had enough of trying appear sober whilst emaling lawyers.
(I helped save b3ta! Sir Pigeon Nipples Did you sit in some sugar?, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:17, archived)
# I think ..
Picasso might have something to say about that with the features being all topsy turvy ..

And you never know, he might of started the secret sect of web sheriffdom whilst still alive and they could be holding secret documents that will allow them to also hunt you down!

WATCH OUT! They're out to get whatever they can to prove that they have a reason to exist! :o)
(SoVeryAPT!, Wed 14 Nov 2007, 11:38, archived)