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# do you not think that artists should be paid for their work?
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 21:59, archived)
# Of course they should, and plenty of people do buy the music,
but does that mean that people with less money to spend on it can't have access to it?
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:01, archived)
# Plenty of people buy TVs,
does that mean people who can't afford them should be allowed to steal them?
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:03, archived)
# You're making this a far bigger deal than it is.
I had no Blue Oyster Cult. I like Blue Oyster Cult. I downloaded Cultasaurus Erectus.
If I see any in the shops and have the miracle of money, I will buy more.
If not, I will stick to what I already have.

I don't download entire discographies.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:10, archived)
# Oh, I just happen to enjoy arguing and happen to have got my teeth stuck into this one.
But no matter how you try to justify it, this is illegal.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:12, archived)
# Have you ever done anything illegal?
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:15, archived)
# Yes.
That doesn't mean everyone else should.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:17, archived)
# Hahah! The winning argument:
"I can break the law but no-one else can"
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:18, archived)
# When did I say I was allowed to break the law?
I merely said I had. I'm not going to lie.
Plenty of people have broken the law, but this isn't a reason for you to do so.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:20, archived)
# I agree.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:27, archived)
# Incidentally, don't take any of this personally.
Since I stopped doing Philosophy I've felt the need to fill the gap with random arguments.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:29, archived)
# I thought copyright infringement was technically
classed as a civil offence.

Although to be honest i'm not overly sure as presumably civil responsibility is covered by law anyway.
(Jeru War and Piss, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:32, archived)
# Yeah.
But if I download something I really like, I save up for a while and buy the album, cos I love having the case, the cd, and all the album art. ^.^
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:01, archived)
# that sort of thing is fair enough
but downloading something when you have no intention of buying it is something else.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:03, archived)
# Ah...
So half the stuff I downloaded? Ah well. I buy enough merch and concert tickets. It's not like the musicians are at all starving.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:04, archived)
# if you decide you don't like it enough to buy it, you should probably delete it
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 fell over, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:06, archived)
# No!
Cos what if you like alright, but you just don't want to spend money on it? FUCK YOU I'M RIGHT! NANERNANERNANER
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:08, archived)
# If you're not prepared to spend money on something,
you can't own it. That's how it is for just about every consumer product, why should music be any different?
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:09, archived)
# What about if your friend has a cd
and you borrow it and put it on your mp3 player?
Is that stealing? That and the cds my parents have is where almost all of my music is from.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:13, archived)
# I'm not exactly sure of the legal technicalities.
But it's safe to say that sharing a CD in a household is a completely different thing to downloading an album from the internet.
And yes, I'd say your example is technically stealing.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:16, archived)
# well yes
basically

but who cares.

artists get sod all from their music these days even when it is bought, hence why the decline of the superstar.
(cs192 is sucking on a Koala at, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:18, archived)
# Again, that's not an argument that can justify you stealing from them.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:06, archived)
# I do that sometimes, but in fairness
most of my music is my parents' anyway.
(I helped save b3ta! ClanSoul, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:04, archived)
# My mum and I
don't share music at all. Except some slightly hippy-geek stuff. Like Jonathan Coulton. And mofaha and I like a lot of the same stuff.
(I helped save b3ta! Killerkitti Like my coffee black, just like my metal, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:06, archived)
# I think it's possible to justify download one or two songs from an album in that way.
As a sample. But if you're routinely downloading dozens/hundreds of songs, it's outright theft.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Mon 25 Feb 2008, 22:04, archived)