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# There
are 5. There are some recognised sub-cultures that re so recognised now that they are given a placing in the racial structure. I'm appalled that you mention Jew as if it is a racial term.
I'd be interested to see where you put catholics and muslims.
jews can be of any race considering it is a term applied to a member of a religious cult regardless of generic ancestry.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 6 Jun 2008, 23:31, archived)
# Jew derives from Judahites and is an ethnic group.
Anyone can follow Judaism, and by inference be Judaic or even 'Jewish', but not anyone can be a Jew.

I have plenty of (mostly lapsed) Jewish family members, I am interested as to why you are appalled.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Fri 6 Jun 2008, 23:37, archived)
# How on earth are
'judahites' ( I'm going to have to look up this term ) and ethnic group? They, as far as my layman's, off the top of my head, knowledge goes, Egyptians who left Egypt to become known as the Canaanites. That group then splintered on religious grounds and a number of them settled in orthern Palestine and founded a settlement called Judea based on the religious teachings of Akhenaten and his 'one god' philosophy (the same philosophy that caused all of Akhenaten's followers to leave Egypt when Tutankhamen came to majority.)
They are all arabs and by default southern European caucasians.
Anyone can become a jew tomorrow. Nobody can change their race.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Fri 6 Jun 2008, 23:44, archived)
# I am not suggesting that 'Jew' is a race, I am suggesting that it is an ethnic group.
An ethnic group could be as granular as 'the extended Smith family' or as wide as 'persons'.

I would not say that the Jewish people were Egyptians, beyond that they were living in Egypt at the time. Negroid used to be called Egyptian or Egyptoids or somesuch - Jews are clearly Caucasian.

Tutenkhamen sucks, Nebukanezza rocked his fucking socks off.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Fri 6 Jun 2008, 23:52, archived)
# Jews are clearly religious followers
I'm amazed that anyone with an education has the front to suggest otherwise.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:04, archived)
# Well, you are wrong.
Non Jews might call Jewish people Jews, but Jews do not.

There is a Judaic faith, but there is also a Judaic people and they DO have enough discernable physical characteristics to clearly be defined as an ethnic group.

I defy you to deny that you couldn't recognise David Baddiel or Ben Elton as being a jew because they demonstrate some of the characteristic Jewish traits. I am not suggesting that all Jews fit into this stereotype, any more than all Italians have a large nose or all Irish women have red hair and green eyes, these are just traits which one associates with the stereotype of the ethnic group, but there IS a Jewish sub-race, it is not just a religion.

Many of the Jewish peoples are of the Jewish religion and many of the Jewish Religion are Jewish people, but the overlap does not mean that one cannot be a member of one without the other.

It's like a really close together Venn Diagram
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:12, archived)
# I can't take your word for it just because you are eloquent.
the racial traits you talk of are simply those of North African and Middle Eastern Caucasoids.

There is no historical, anthropological or most importantly, archaeological evidence for the jewish as a people. ( the same can be said for Isreal but that's a whole other story I'll not get into here )
They are all arabs. Your modern jew is anyone who wants to be and comes from all over the world.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:20, archived)
# I think that, with the internet at your fingertips, you should be able to discover the difference.
That said, I am not referring to racial characteristics, but merely ethnic ones. To be a people one does not need to be a race. Yes Jews are clearly semitic, but their appearance is NOT the same, as an ethnic group, as that of say the Palestinian Arab, even though he too is Semitic.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:24, archived)
# you've spoiled my
fucking film tonight. ;)

O know I have the internet at my fingertips but I like to think I argue based upon what I truly understand and know ( and indeed don't know so I can be taught better ). To quote wiki and such on internet messageboards for the sake of argument seems like trolling to me. I try not to be a troll although I will argue like fuck.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:28, archived)
# I will edit Wikipedia to irritate trolls as well.
It is a project of which I most heartily disapprove.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:31, archived)
# well... yes but there are genetic charachteristics within the main racial groups that are shared
there are clear distinctions between celts and saxons for example
(I helped save b3ta! Tom OBedlam I have control of a tank, Fri 6 Jun 2008, 23:37, archived)
# And that's when you hit ethnic groups.
To be honest I believe that there are obvious and recognisable traits in Cockneys and Cornishmen, let alone Big fucking groups like the ginger fucks and the Pict haters.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:06, archived)
# I like to keep it simple.
genetics are what they are and are subject to nearly no change within out life span. Ethnicity is clearly a social outcome based upon the parameters in which we are raised and is easily changed by circumstance. A negroid will remain a negroid even if he is brought up in a strict catholic ( to find a caucasoid ethnic structure to use ) environment.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:16, archived)
# I think you just agreed with me?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:17, archived)
# yeah but I
clearly make a distinction between race and ethnicity and don't see them as interchangeable.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:22, archived)
# Nor do I.
There are (for me) 3 races, but an almost limitless number of ethnic groups.

The Slavs, for example, I would consider an ethnic group, but not a separate race.

The Ginger, of course, are an entirely different kettle of fish.

Who puts fish in a fucking kettle anyway?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:27, archived)
# Haha, you are just jealous because
I'm a proper Dane!
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:30, archived)
# don't you start!
There are no genetic distinctions beyond what prolonged environmental changes give each group. Celts and Saxons are the same race of northern Caucasoid who grew up on different sides of the North Sea.
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Sat 7 Jun 2008, 0:08, archived)