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# Do you think this has anything to do with the great B3ta fire?
JS is a member of B3ta
JS comes from W-S-M

Shirley not a coincidence!
(I helped save b3ta! Joliet, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 8:44, archived)
# Nobody saw me do it, you cant prove anything
Insurance job... bet my house on it
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 8:47, archived)
# Similar thing happened to a pub where I was brought up
Pub was run down for ages and finally derelict but it was a local treasure as The Who used to play there (or played there once - you know how local myth is). Anyway, developers bought it but couldn't do anything with it as all the plans involve knocking it down.

Low and behold, "squatters start a fire" and the whole place goes up. Completely gutted. Now there is a block of flats with balconys looking over the train station, the night club where people keep getting stabbed and the 1960s eyesore of a civic centre. Nice(!).
(I helped save b3ta! Joliet, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 8:52, archived)
# haha
sounds like a typical council development plan:

council inherits nice old building
council doesn't want to pay for upkeep
council lets it fall into disrepair
council condemns it as dangerous
council knocks it down
council sells land to developers
council votes for payrise for self

(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:06, archived)
# starngley similar to my old neighbours
50 years in their council house, reverts to housing association

Housing association make them move out 'temprarily' to modernise the flat
Housing association decide they can't be bothered to fork out for the work
Housing association rehouse lovely old couple in a shitty flat
Housing association sell flat for a fra\ction of its worth to shonky dodgy landlord
Our ceilings start falling apart
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:08, archived)
# I've seen this happen many times
Nice Old Buildings do cost a lot of money in upkeep, and councils do need to make their money somehow.

It's unfortunate, I really do wish there was a way to redevelop these buildings in a manner that keeps the original character.
(I helped save b3ta! Thinker, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:11, archived)
# They could keep the fucking facades
(I helped save b3ta! gronkpan @vomitinglarry.bsky.social, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:43, archived)
# Council planning committees are full of distant relatives of developers
Planning departments are full of distant relatives of architects
(I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:55, archived)
# grrrrrr
(I helped save b3ta! lordsaccharine b3taing is well retro mate, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:28, archived)
# Your now-burning house?
(I helped save b3ta! Thinker, Mon 28 Jul 2008, 9:05, archived)