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# with 192,746 votes in last election
i'd say that was pretty substantial
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:03, archived)
# well generally speaking
in a depression, history has shown that hard right wing groups (or left wing i think, occasionally) are going to get more votes
(I helped save b3ta! dogigniter - Saving the world one turkey ham wrap at a time -, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:05, archived)
# Good job we're not in a depression now then.

A depression requires a 10% shrinking of the economy. We've had about a 2.5% shrinkage, and we're through the worst of it. Japan and Germany have already reported a return to economic growth.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:07, archived)
# Point taken
good news about japan, great scientific nation... got some strange customs and culture though, like the whole schoolgirls knickers vending machines they have on the streets in Tokyo?
(I helped save b3ta! dogigniter - Saving the world one turkey ham wrap at a time -, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:10, archived)
# 2000 years of violent brutal oppression suddenly released overnight with no period of adjustment.
What do you get? Anime.

As for the recession; the economic problems are more or less over really. It's the long-term social problems we need to worry about. Domestic violence, drug abuse and alcholism all increase dramatically during a recession and continue to increase even after return to growth. Some councils have already seen a two-fold increase in domestic violence in their areas.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:13, archived)
# Just to confuse things
all anti-social and criminal behaviour needs the word "reported" in front of it.
An increase in reported crime might mean people trust the police more than they did 10 years ago to do something about it: A good sign.
OK a little devils advocate, but you get my point.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:22, archived)
# Yes, quite right. The word 'reported' was implied.

Although the government's official line is that they expect an increase in reported social problems as a direct result of the recession.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:24, archived)
# I wouldn't.
What with there being about 40 million voters and all.

Mossley's Fascists got more votes than that.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:06, archived)
# oh good
fascism is better phew
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:09, archived)
# Yes,
because Mossley became Prime Minister and everything.

If you talk about the BNP as if they were a threat, you make them into a serious political party. For decades they've been a joke, and now you people are pandering to them and giving them exactly what they want - serious attention. If you treat them like a genuine threat, what happens is that every anti-establishment nut-job and tinfoil hat wearing buffoon comes out of the woodwork and starts voting for them because they become the new 'anti-establishment' party. That's what happened with the fascists and the communists. As soon as you treat them like anything more than a bad joke, you lend them a kind of legitimacy in some people's eyes. If you ignore them, they will go away.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:11, archived)
# i know
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:14, archived)
# And yet you still spoke about them as though they were a serious threat.

(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:27, archived)
# I still refuse to take them seriously


they are cashing in FAR more because our other parties are shit more than the fact they have anything to offer. It's protest votes, IMHO.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:08, archived)
# Mr Hitler
started by exploiting people's dissatisfaction with the current govt.
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:11, archived)
# That was a little
different. Our credit crunch is pocket money to 20s-30s Germany. And the gov that Mr H displaced was little more than a puppet imposed by the LoN.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:14, archived)
# You can't compare a man
who was in a position to limit social access to information with people coming into power today in the age of 24 hour free communication.

Obviously there are exceptions, like North Korea and China, but they have been in the situation from a pre internet age.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:15, archived)
# And
as I pointed out, it was the government-of-the-day's demonising of him that got him so much popularity. If the German government of the 20s and 30s had ignored him, and everyone just drew an amusing cartoon of him and then got on with their lives, he wouldn't have been able to adopt a position of being viewed my many as the legitimate opposition in the eyes of everyone with an anti-government bent. The BNP need to be ridiculed, not fought seriously. The problem is that there has been a lot of guff in the more liberal media about the BNP and what we should do about it. That turns them into a boogey-man, which attracts the loons.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:19, archived)
# Exactly.
It always is with these extreme parties.
(Seance Trumpet has got no beef with a man enjoying a croissant, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:12, archived)
# Beaten by UKIP by 4 times and with no seats won at all.
We are a massively long way from being at risk of being run by the BNP.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:10, archived)
# agreed
(I helped save b3ta! PointlessCamel Last one on drugs is a queer., Thu 8 Oct 2009, 23:19, archived)