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# Ha! Love the quotes from the jounalist with 5 children
'Mrs Whitehouse ... queries whether larger families necessarily place a greater burden on the environment...Money is important so you don't buy ready-made meals. I cooked up cauldrons of soup'

What are you, a fuckwit? Your children will grow up (presumably) to be adults, who will then each consume their own portion of resources.

I wonder if there is a correlation between people with lots of children, and an inability to follow an argument to logical conclusions?
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:22, archived)
# every time you make a baby
god splits your brain in two so there prob is a correlation between breeders and the stupid.

*remembers film idiocracy*
*shudders*
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:26, archived)
# idiocracy is a bit crap really,
the whole argument of 'the poor and stupid are having more kids than the rich and the clever, WHAT COULD IT MEAN?" pissed me off because it came across as conceited intellectual snobbery.
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:50, archived)
# If there were only a few dozen people on the planet
fossil fuels would be useless due to the lack of coal, oil and gas companies, and our ability to solve environmental problems (caused by, say, volcanoes) would be close to zero. Therefore to some extent more people = more resources and fewer environmental problems.
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:41, archived)
# what
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:45, archived)
# What I said, the words in it.
Jonathon Porritt doesn't consider that humans sometimes have good ideas and do useful stuff.
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:49, archived)
# if there were only a few dozen people on the planet there would be no need to live in enviromentally dangerous areas.
we could all live in france, things would be lovely.

where do you get your reduction to 'only a few dozen'?
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:54, archived)
# Just considering the edge cases, you know.
Trying to prove that humans are at least some good. With no humans at all there would be no concept of good, which makes that particular case awkward.

There were major volcanic events at the end of the Triassic and at the end of the Cretaceous period, there's no particular reason why such a thing couldn't happen again if, say, Yellowstone erupts. If there were a million of us we might be able to cooperate to come up with some kind of shelter from a hostile atmosphere; if there were hundreds of billions we might be able to actually fix it; if there were only 42 of us, we'd be fucked.
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 18:57, archived)
# That seems a bit tautological then, if there were no humans to assess the good then there wouldn't be any assessment of the good?
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 19:01, archived)
# That's why I didn't consider that case, because it's silly.
...actually there should probably be such a thing as good even in the absence of humans, if our concept is at all objective and based on any general principles, but this is a bit beside the point.
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 19:03, archived)
# what if there were only 3 billion humans
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 19:08, archived)
# Hard to say, hard to say.
I'd be more comfortable with a few more around, for added security, but it's a tough one to call and opinions differ.
(, Tue 23 Mar 2010, 19:10, archived)