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# You have to do a hell of a lot of booze to die from it,
it's not really something you can put down to bad luck.

Tobacco is just crap. The only reason that's still legal is because of how addictive it is.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:45, archived)
# Every drug discussion just devolves into three things
Laws enforcing morality, safety and the extent of personal freedom to fuck yourself up.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:48, archived)
# Er, no.
I invite you to take a look at the NHS figures for alcohol-dependance and alcohol-fueled injury...

*rummages aroiund the internet*

"in 2005, 6,570 people died from causes directly linked to alcohol consumption, of these just under two thirds (4,160) died from alcoholic liver disease. Two thirds (67 per cent) of those dying from alcoholic liver disease were men."
www.ic.nhs.uk/pubs/alcohol07

Also, yes, tobacco is truely evil. If there is a hell, the owners of tobacco companies are going straight there.
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:50, archived)
# how many died after a single vodka?
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:55, archived)
# All those who couldn't stop at one?
if you're going to "strawman" and say one drink can't hurt, I'm going to "Slippery slope" and say we all start somewhere.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:03, archived)
# obviously you have to start at one,
but this is what I said, you have to do a lot of it. It takes some amount of dedication to drink so much it ruins your liver. Mind you the amount some people drink these days just beggars belief, and I used to think I did a lot of it.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:07, archived)
# I'm not going near a "slippery slope" argument,
because they're just daft.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:19, archived)
# Not one has died from a single line of coke, mephedrone or a joint either.
(The Ear-Trumpet Addicting is NOT a word., Tue 30 Mar 2010, 7:58, archived)
# my mate lost both her parents due to alcohol
her dad choked to death on a sausage whilst pissed and her mum, similarly pissed, fell over and cracked her skull open
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:51, archived)
# oops
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:02, archived)
# can you imagine choking on a sausage?
at least when my mate died, it was instant. central reservation + head = very dead.
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:05, archived)