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# Praise Science!!!
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(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:22, archived)
# I like this
It's a shame you can't get elected on evidence and rational decision-making.
(I helped save b3ta! Cadmus has teh uplikn coeds at, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:23, archived)
# Shit, people are going out of their way to find legal methods of fucking themselves up?
SOMEBODY STOP THEM! Won't you please think of the children?
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:24, archived)
# This sums up drug policy
Hurrah for Butters, tastier than Margarines but not as easy to spread!
(I helped save b3ta! Tribs 🦇 ↓ dn ʎɐʍ sᴉɥʇ ↓🦇, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:25, archived)
# i may have to get another cat
i had no idea what they were capable of
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:26, archived)
# A lot.
...when they're not drilling.
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:27, archived)
# they drill, too?
that would certainly explain the hole in my living room wall
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:29, archived)
# Yes,
that's definitely the cats..

*whistles*
(I helped save b3ta! Jimbuktu See? Right here, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:41, archived)
# did they install the CCTV too?
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:44, archived)
# Oh yes.
It's really good and certainly doesn't feed back to my computer.
(I helped save b3ta! Jimbuktu See? Right here, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:46, archived)
# do these new knickers make my bum look big?
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:49, archived)
# Oh no,
I think that's just the fish eye lens.
(I helped save b3ta! Jimbuktu See? Right here, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:53, archived)
# that's good
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:53, archived)
# Ha ha ha!
That is a fine Alan Johnson Butters :D
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:26, archived)
# haha,
*walks off muttering about the scientific ineptitude of govornment*


*Rantmumblerantrantmumble*





*rantmumbleranthowonearthisketamineclassCwhenitreallyfuckspeopleupandsaycannabisclassBwhenthousandsuponthousandstakeitwithfewilleffectsandhowcomealcoholislegalwhenitkills30,000peopleayearandleadstosocialviolenceandcrimeandisphyiscallyaddictiveandrantmumblerantrantmumble*
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:26, archived)
# I think alcohol is seen to be acceptable
as you get very stern telling off from your body the next morning.

Pain and pleasure in very clear terms of cause and effect.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:31, archived)
# Nah.
Just because we have a thousand year tradition of getting pissed dosn't mean it's a good thing.


*Looks conspiratorially about the place*


*Sips beer*





Seriously though, it really is quite bad for you and If I was the King of the World it WOULD be illegal... nah, rationed. Yeah. Rationed. And you no obey the king, you no get the beer. Or entry into the state-sponsered breeding program. *plots*
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:36, archived)
# I think it's mainly seen as acceptable
because it's been in use since the dawn of civilisation.
And also because there is such a thing as moderate drinking. I never heard of anyone doing just a little bit of heroin with their Sunday dinner, for instance.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:38, archived)
# But it's nice to have a little bit of spliff.
It's quite difficult to over-do it on weed, and if you do, you're just a bit sick then go to bed...
(I helped save b3ta! Incredibly Ordinary Dave needs your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:41, archived)
# or you get paranid and run round amsterdam in a panic and...
...nothing, nothing at all
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:42, archived)
# *coughs*
*looks at feet*
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:49, archived)
# or
you sit awake all night on the edge of your bed, clutching a butcher knife, staring in terror at the wardrobe doors you've tied shut with the washing line, because you're convinced something is coming out of there to get you.
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:43, archived)
# Or you watch The Wall, twice, back-to-back
then look in the mirror and think you're skins falling off like that bloke in Poltergeist
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 8:37, archived)
# You should try it!
Really brings out the umami in gravy.
(I helped save b3ta! Jimbuktu See? Right here, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:42, archived)
# haha
that's funny!
(I helped save b3ta! 4Q just lurking, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:01, archived)
# yes, but hemp/marijuana/hashish has been around for the same time-frame
and yet one is more vilified than the other?

I just think if people can't feel the side-effects instantaneously they get paranoid...
or is that the drugs talking? Shit, I need to go lie down.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:43, archived)
# Oh right, because Mushrooms and Hemp/Cannabis were invented last week.....
There is also a shockingly large difference between Heroin (EVIL) and other drugs. One of the biggest mistakes of the anti-drugs strategy in this country is to try and tar, say, cannabis and ecstacy (actually statistically two of the safest recreational drugs around) with the same brush as Crack Cocaine and Heroin (er, pretty fucking nasty).
Im fairly sure this leads to more Heroin and Crack use - after all, if the govornment made out like Pot was seriously bad and it wasnt, then surely they lied about Smack? Er, no.

Seriously, everyone should have to do science to A level BY LAW, especially MPs. How can you run a country with only a vaugest inkling of the scientific method and no idea about the dangers of so called "common sense". Gah.



I SAID STOP IT, BAD ORKRAN
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:47, archived)
# Mushroom use goes back a long way, although it's never been as mainstream,
it's had its uses in religious rituals, probably its association with paganism has put it in the bad books.

I don't know about cannabis, but smoking was never that much of a European thing as far as I know, except amongst the social elites who were into the more exotic stuff, so it's associated with decadence.

Booze, on the other hand, is the everyman's chemical escape, even the Bible attributes its invention to Noah, the ancestor of everyone living.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:54, archived)
# So are you saying that Cannabis has
no ill effects whatsoever? Bollocks.

Also, your claims that heroin is simply evil are not necessarily founded. Abuse of it, yes. But that is the same of any drug be it alcohol, weed, crack or Meth.

By the way, have you ever read Sherlock Holmes? or been to the Science Museum? Or The Natural History Museum?
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:00, archived)
# it depends upon the brand.
You don't get much more than a big appetite with the old school Lebanese hash and the like ( I'd kill for a good chunk of gold seal right now ) but you just don't see that any more.
Meanwhile everybody is getting off their face with super skink and there are some early studies that suggest there may be a link with mental health problems later in life for heavy abusers but the motives and funding behind many of the studies make their results questionable.

Oh and I've not smoked weed in about 5 years in case you thought I might be a pot-head.

Charlie and E on the other hand....
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 0:02, archived)
# skink?
 
STAY OFF THE LIZARDS MAN, THEY'LL FUCK YOUR SHIT RIGHT UP
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 0:18, archived)
# Woo!
Never tried mephedrone. What's it like?
(I helped save b3ta! Incredibly Ordinary Dave needs your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:29, archived)
# Being a pussy and playing it safe with the illegal ones
I've never tried it either.

But it's been described to me as a tesco's value coke, with added side effects thrown in.
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:31, archived)
# Heheh, "pussy". ;)
Doesn't sound too fab then really.

One person told me it makes you smell like cat's piss, but I think perhaps they just already smelled like that...
(I helped save b3ta! Incredibly Ordinary Dave needs your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:39, archived)
# No, he's right.
It does have a very "distinct" smell.
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:47, archived)
# I think it makes people smell like plant food
which is what its technically sold as, I think.
(drreverendfantastic is sitting in a kitten armchair, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 17:40, archived)
# it makes you wee on the carpet
(I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:31, archived)
# its like drugs, man.
You will SPEEDily and ECSTATICly have too MUCH ROOM in your brain.
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:32, archived)
# it's legal
so probably a bit crap
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:33, archived)
# but it's only legal because it's new and untested
(I helped save b3ta! mictoboy shitting in your cunt since, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:41, archived)
# i think they should make MPs test it
especially boris johnson
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:48, archived)
# I agree.
(The Ear-Trumpet Addicting is NOT a word., Tue 30 Mar 2010, 7:55, archived)
# Haha, that's what I thought tbh...
Would be nice to have a drug you could just nip to Sainsbury's to buy though.

Get smashed and get nectar points...
(I helped save b3ta! Incredibly Ordinary Dave needs your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:43, archived)
# that would be good
i'd love to see jamie oliver doing a recipe for space cakes
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:47, archived)
# from what I've heard it isn't a very good idea,
although what I've heard probably isn't very good science, I'm not about to fuck myself up to find out.

There's nowt wrong with booze, stick to that, kids.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:34, archived)
# When it comes to trying new drugs it's best to play the numbers.
Statistics may be damn lies, but they're comforting damn lies.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:40, archived)
# LIES
IT FUCKING KILLS PEOPLE!!!


Also, physically addictive and leads to social violence.


I just dont understand how "society" can tolerate one rather nasty (oh yeah, tobacco) two nasty chemical vices and make out like methadrone must be illagalised because it was implicated in the deaths of a couple of people.

Yes, this argument is only put about by drug-users and therefore tends to be seen as somewhat unreliable, but frankly - they are in a good position to tell apart the bullshit about drugs from the reality.



Oh God, the INTERNET MADE ME ANGRY AND I HAD TO COMMENT


NO, ORKRAN, NO. *rubs face in it*
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:40, archived)
# You have to do a hell of a lot of booze to die from it,
it's not really something you can put down to bad luck.

Tobacco is just crap. The only reason that's still legal is because of how addictive it is.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:45, archived)
# Every drug discussion just devolves into three things
Laws enforcing morality, safety and the extent of personal freedom to fuck yourself up.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:48, archived)
# Er, no.
I invite you to take a look at the NHS figures for alcohol-dependance and alcohol-fueled injury...

*rummages aroiund the internet*

"in 2005, 6,570 people died from causes directly linked to alcohol consumption, of these just under two thirds (4,160) died from alcoholic liver disease. Two thirds (67 per cent) of those dying from alcoholic liver disease were men."
www.ic.nhs.uk/pubs/alcohol07

Also, yes, tobacco is truely evil. If there is a hell, the owners of tobacco companies are going straight there.
(Orkran Mild Euphoria Ensues, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:50, archived)
# how many died after a single vodka?
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:55, archived)
# All those who couldn't stop at one?
if you're going to "strawman" and say one drink can't hurt, I'm going to "Slippery slope" and say we all start somewhere.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:03, archived)
# obviously you have to start at one,
but this is what I said, you have to do a lot of it. It takes some amount of dedication to drink so much it ruins your liver. Mind you the amount some people drink these days just beggars belief, and I used to think I did a lot of it.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:07, archived)
# I'm not going near a "slippery slope" argument,
because they're just daft.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:19, archived)
# Not one has died from a single line of coke, mephedrone or a joint either.
(The Ear-Trumpet Addicting is NOT a word., Tue 30 Mar 2010, 7:58, archived)
# my mate lost both her parents due to alcohol
her dad choked to death on a sausage whilst pissed and her mum, similarly pissed, fell over and cracked her skull open
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:51, archived)
# oops
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:02, archived)
# can you imagine choking on a sausage?
at least when my mate died, it was instant. central reservation + head = very dead.
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:05, archived)
# Looks like you need some William Burroughs...
“Our national drug is alcohol. We tend to regard the use any other drug with special horror.”
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:45, archived)
# I think it's the immediate and total effect of most drugs that puts me off,
where a single tiny dose can be more than enough. There's no middle ground between sober and completely smashed, and no turning back if you don't like what it's doing to you.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:48, archived)
# Buy the ticket
Take the ride
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:51, archived)
# My first ride on the Acid train was pretty daunting.
Didn't help that the films I'd chosen to babysit myself with were Waking Life and Disney's Alice in Wonderland.
(I helped save b3ta! Chickenhawk is no longer Arkwright., Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:53, archived)
# Chicken kills people too
if it is deep fried and consumed with alarming regularity.

So should chicken be banned? No, it fucking shouldn't. People should just take responsibility for what they fucking do. Weed should be legal? Well it isn't, so if you smoke it you're a criminal. Drinking is legal? Yeah, that doesn't mean you should drink a Scotch out in the Smoking area at work, the same way you shouldn't think that smoking a joint in the smoking area is ok. All drugs are bad for you, some are legally sanctioned, get over it.
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:38, archived)
# well, I've only ever been hospitalised for alcohol abuse
(i.e. stopped breathing on the way to hospital, resuscitated, or so I'm told)
never for any of the other shit I put through my system.

Even at non-lethal levels I would observe alcohol being responsible for a greater degree of general fuckwittery than any other drug.

LOTS wrong with booze kids (and think whose pockets you're lining)


(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:49, archived)
# There's plenty wrong with booze.
I've been punched in the face by drunk strangers and hugged by high people, I know which one I prefer. Sometimes I wish something like mephedrone or ecstacy was the legal drug of choice in England, instead of booze.

That said, something like mephedrone hasn't been popular for very long, so there really is very little information about how dangerous it is - which automatically makes it a somewhat risky prospect.
(drreverendfantastic is sitting in a kitten armchair, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 17:51, archived)
# ahhhahhhah I had to look it up
I thought it was a joke, for chavs what can't pronounce "methadone"

turns out it's just another party pill.
Not on the market here, most of ours were piperazine based, though they keep dicking with the laws on them too.
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:57, archived)
# It's a bit like a mild mdma
it can make you euphoric and happy and relaxed, but the happy effects might not be as strong or last as long as ecstacy/mdma.

It probably won't stay legal for very long, so if you wanted to take some, then now is the time. I hear you can buy it over the Internet, if you are so inclined.
(drreverendfantastic is sitting in a kitten armchair, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 17:40, archived)
# you forgot to tax it!
(I helped save b3ta! SkUG >_O i got a couple of stitches in my eyeball... ow, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:43, archived)
# mephedone made my nostrils different sizes.
(I helped save b3ta! sooperdave, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:43, archived)
# King size and fun size?
(I helped save b3ta! Butters and his titanium codsocket, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:48, archived)
# FUN DOES NOT HAVE A SIZE!
(I helped save b3ta! Smash Monkey lowering the tone of the whole internet, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 22:54, archived)
# ahhhahhhhahhhhah
I get a mixture of positive comments and bemused glances when I wear this shirt
www.sharingmachine.com/index.php?item=62
 
(I helped save b3ta! Rapitinui get in the cage and I'll give you a treat, Mon 29 Mar 2010, 23:07, archived)
# I want one.
(The Ear-Trumpet Addicting is NOT a word., Tue 30 Mar 2010, 8:02, archived)
# It's all true!!!
(I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Tue 30 Mar 2010, 8:36, archived)