Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.
John Stuart Mill
( , Mon 17 Jun 2019, 21:02, Share, Reply)
John Stuart Mill
( , Mon 17 Jun 2019, 21:02, Share, Reply)
What laws should we stop citizens from breaking, and what laws should we turn a blind eye to?
Do you check your neighbours are not muddling up their recycling?
( , Mon 17 Jun 2019, 21:10, Share, Reply)
Do you check your neighbours are not muddling up their recycling?
( , Mon 17 Jun 2019, 21:10, Share, Reply)
obviously
the ones that exist to prevent injury or damage to property.
( , Mon 17 Jun 2019, 22:10, Share, Reply)
the ones that exist to prevent injury or damage to property.
( , Mon 17 Jun 2019, 22:10, Share, Reply)
reduce the risk of injury, not prevent it
there is a difference. It not like going slightly under the speed limit makes you bulletproof, but driving slightly over it causes death. there's no moral question
laws like road laws are sometimes enacted with some supporting science, sometimes with fairly arbitrary justification, but generally enacted because they are intended to reduce the risk of accident or mishap. The thing about risk is that it's often a trade-off between rights and acceptable risk, and that level is subjective. Some people might prioritise being able to drink over the increased risk of accident. Some countries have zero alcohol, others like Brazil see it as unconstitutional to breathalyse
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 5:46, Share, Reply)
there is a difference. It not like going slightly under the speed limit makes you bulletproof, but driving slightly over it causes death. there's no moral question
laws like road laws are sometimes enacted with some supporting science, sometimes with fairly arbitrary justification, but generally enacted because they are intended to reduce the risk of accident or mishap. The thing about risk is that it's often a trade-off between rights and acceptable risk, and that level is subjective. Some people might prioritise being able to drink over the increased risk of accident. Some countries have zero alcohol, others like Brazil see it as unconstitutional to breathalyse
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 5:46, Share, Reply)
sure
but i'd say that the law that makes it a crime to drive down wrong side of a road exists to prevent a head-on collision, not reduce the risk of it.
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 7:41, Share, Reply)
but i'd say that the law that makes it a crime to drive down wrong side of a road exists to prevent a head-on collision, not reduce the risk of it.
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 7:41, Share, Reply)
there is a law, there are still head-on collisions. So it clearly doesn't prevent them
If there had been a breakdown blocking the lane, would you wait patiently behind the broken down car until it was repaired or towed, rather than cautiously (though illegally) moving into the oncoming land to turn right? Most people would accept that sensible risk. I don't mind people wanting to be law abiding, but being absolutist over things like road laws somewhat ignores their intent
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 10:25, Share, Reply)
If there had been a breakdown blocking the lane, would you wait patiently behind the broken down car until it was repaired or towed, rather than cautiously (though illegally) moving into the oncoming land to turn right? Most people would accept that sensible risk. I don't mind people wanting to be law abiding, but being absolutist over things like road laws somewhat ignores their intent
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 10:25, Share, Reply)
Just remember to say the magic words "cancer patients" whenever you get caught doing something illegal, the police will apologise and let you on your way.
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 11:20, Share, Reply)
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 11:20, Share, Reply)
my own approach (in London) is to start an apology and then interupt myself by saying "Weren't you in Hendon in XXXX?"*
in the hope of establishing some sort of connection that might tempt them to let me off, based on a brief period I spend developing eLearning at the police training college and having two hour lunches every day due to non-existent supervision of us contractors
redacted for privacy
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 11:36, Share, Reply)
in the hope of establishing some sort of connection that might tempt them to let me off, based on a brief period I spend developing eLearning at the police training college and having two hour lunches every day due to non-existent supervision of us contractors
redacted for privacy
( , Tue 18 Jun 2019, 11:36, Share, Reply)