So that's definitely a Russian AV? Are we just taking social media's word at face value as long as it supports the anti Russia sentiment?
Don't get me wrong. I'm absolutely on Ukraine's side. But the amount of disinformation on Social Media is overwhelming. What evidence is there to support that the tank is Russian?
To me, it appears as if the vehicle lost control and collided inadvertently with the car coming the other direction. Isn't it just as likely that this was a Ukrainian patrol vehicle? Where's the rest of the convoy?
Who confirmed that the soldiers were wearing 'stolen Ukrainian uniforms?' Did somebody wave down the vehicle afterwards and politely ask them to wind down the window? Sounds fucking fishy to me.
Edit: Also:
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https://www.snopes.com/news/2022/02/25/russian-tank-kyiv-car/
Verified by Sky News and Channel 4 News.
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Invisible Wizard - 13th Level Scrote, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 18:28,
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They've verified that it's a legitimate video of an armoured vehicle crushing a car.
Neither have explicitly stated the nationality of the vehicle in question.
(, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 18:39, Reply)
Thank god you're here with the trustworthy reports from Agent XIX.
Shouldn't you be at a town hall discussing this with your comrades Dianne Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn?
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 19:00,
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Imagine being sceptical about unverified claims being posted on the internet.
How silly of me. It's clearly the Russians, because somebody assumed it was. My apologies.
(, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 19:03, Reply)
there's plenty to be skeptical about if you mainly look at pro-russian sources and the kind of trumpist circlejerk subreddits that seem to have oddly aligned themselves with vlad
Are russia even in the ukraine? I've heard they're attacking themselves
it's ok to be skeptical, but that cuts both ways. Like antivaxxers, skepticism shouldn't mean you turn to even worse sources, in your case some anonymous youtube commenter.
It took me just 10 seconds while I sipped my coffee to find multiple good sources (there's a surprising amount of websites, both russian and english, devoted to reporting on the arms trade) showing that russia was the biggest user of mt-lb (which they build) with the strela missiles setup. they have 100 in service with 350 in production as of 2021. Why did you think it was worth posting some massive pic of it? did you find it persuasive? learn to be more discerning
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 20:57,
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Imagine agonising over this whilst there's a full-scale war going on
As if one grainy clip of a car getting rolled over can decide who are the goodies and who are the baddies. You're absolutely convinced you're some sort of megabrain though aren't you
(, Sat 26 Feb 2022, 9:44, Reply)
I knew I should have posted the Sun YouTube Video instead
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xcfJY6QwnY - "tank is believed to be a Strela-10, a anti-aircraft vehicle used by both the Russian and Ukrainian armies. And it is believed to have been driven by pro-Russian "saboteurs" - who also stole a military truck before they were killed by soldiers".
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buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 19:03,
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Just like the difference between German and Austrian Nazis
- it's not important where they came from, just whose side they're on.
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Invisible Wizard - 13th Level Scrote, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 19:15,
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You're right though, it is best to be sceptical.
There's a shitload of lies to wade through.
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Invisible Wizard - 13th Level Scrote, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 20:07,
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There's another angle in this video, which seems to provide a lot more context.
Still not crystal clear exactly who is who. From what I can tell in from the comments, the convoy was Ukrainian and ambushed by Russian troops.
The lack of identifying markings on the vehicles suggests to me that they are indeed Ukrainian (plus, I think it's far more likely that the Ukrainians would be operating Anti-Air vehicles in that location as opposed to Russians, particularly considering Russia have massive air superiority).
Either way, from this angle and looking at the surrounding activity, it looks unlikely (to me, at least), that the elderly gentleman was deliberately targeted, and more likely that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Fair warning - contains a gun battle and somebody getting injured/possibly killed youtu.be/3nG9yBX7MwI
There's is SO much disinformation coming from both sides of this conflict at the moment. Not all of it is going to be deliberate, but we should all know better than to take any media outlet at their word (never mind social fucking media!)
(, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 20:35, Reply)
This coming from the genius who posted the giant social media disinformation post from Agent XIX,
you absolute weaponised clown-shoed bollockmangle.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 21:13,
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"SO much disinformation from both sides"
I call bullshit, false equivalency etc etc.
There is a pretty clear 'bad guy' here who is a master of disinformation. Sorry but I don't see the torrent of lies coming from the Ukrainian side that you talk about.
Get off the fence and try to be on the right side
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simbosan nuck nuck nuck, Fri 25 Feb 2022, 21:40,
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He's a centrist, remember.
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brb man-child cuck corporate supplicant fuck, Sat 26 Feb 2022, 0:07,
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Day 2 and he's already an expert on Ukrainian military hardware and strategy
He must have put youtube on 2x speed or something
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