I wonder why the English press recently decided that Kyiv was more authentic than Kiev
It’s only ever an approximation of Ukrainian pronunciation (phonemes), and Kiev was fine, closer than what we use for many foreign cities. We still happily use Vienna and Munich and the like. The Ukrainians pronounce it with a “kee” longer vowel sound to kickoff, rather than a “ky” diphthong as in "backyard", so the original Kiev was likely to lead to a closer match for English speakers, which is probably why they settled on it in the first place. If they really wanted to nail it they could start using Київ, instead it’s like some brummie who visits Jamaica and comes back with blonde dreads and calling people “mon”. Nice, but there’s a bit more to it than that, son. Anyway, this is by far the most pressing issue regarding the Ukraine and one we should be focussing on
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Mon 21 Mar 2022, 21:27,
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Kiev is a Russian derivative.
Kyiv is a Ukranian derivative.
We're more familiar with 'Kiev' than we are with 'Kyiv' (we don't eat Chicken Kyivs) and until a month ago, the general public this side of Poland didn't really give a fuck about Ukraine, or Ukraine's preferred post-Soviet pronunciation and Latin/Roman phonetic representation of Kyiv/Kiev.
Considering all the hoo-haa going on at the moment, I suppose referring to Kyiv as Kiev (particularly in the mainstream media) would be considered a huge faux-pas. The Twitterati in, in particular, seem to fucking love jumping on the pitchfork and burning torch bandwagon when [insert news corporation here] refers to something in a slightly politically incorrect/insensitive manner, so probably best that they spell it using the Post-Soviet nomentaclure.
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Could you two please just fuck and get over it?
Preferably very, very quietly.
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I do apologise. Did that reply come across as unnecessarily passive-agressive to you?
CQM asked why the switch from Kiev to Kyiv. I offered an explanation. It wasn't my intent to be any less than civil in my approach.
Perhaps I should just avoid engaging with CQM completely from now on, as it seems to be causing particular members of the board great distress. Unlike a couple of members of /links, I'm perfectly capable of putting previous disagreements behind me and not treating other members like some kind of playground nemesis based purely on how our previous discourse concluded.
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you're probably right about the ukraine push for it
still, it's not like we take johnny foreigner's preference into account when we name a lot of other cities
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Tue 22 Mar 2022, 0:36,
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Turtle Power & Knuckles, Tue 22 Mar 2022, 9:04,
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