Maybe Truss will do the right thing and distance us from the conflict.
Like we had been doing for the first 8 years. Not looking likely, however.
(, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 11:15, Reply)
Agreed
How horrible, fantastic, incredible it is that we should be digging trenches and trying on gas-masks here because of a quarrel in a far away country between people of whom we know nothing
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 12:01,
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Precisely. When you think about it, Mr Putin is just re-uniting the russian speaking peoples of eastern ukraine back into the motherland
those who think this wont be the end of his expansionist ambition and will only embolden him, don't wish to see peace in our time
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 12:26,
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sometimes when a socialist republic collapses
an authoritarian nationalist takes advantage of the power vacuum and breakdown in institutions to seize power, first by electoral means but then consolidating his power through violence and use of state apparatus to crush opposition and murder dissenting voices until his control is absolute and unaccountable. but it's best to ignore it as it has no lasting consequences
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 12:50,
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I thought we were talking about how it's a great idea to give Putin what he wants unopposed?
I can't see any parallels with anything else, history has no lessons to teach us
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 13:26,
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Comparing Putin to Hitler is giving Putin way, way too much credit.
I think the Invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan make better comparisons. Thinly veiled power grabs under the pretence of a 'Liberation'.
I suppose some perspective is needed at the day, though. It's only a matter of time until China decides to delete Taiwan, at which point we're basically going to be hurtled into a global conflict with the PRC, Russia, Iran and North Korea.
We'll have NATO and, erm, Israel. So that'll be interesting!
(, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 15:07, Reply)
you're far too clever, my eyes have been opened by showing me what about these other things
yes, of course the west's hidden agenda was to seize afghanistan, the jewel of asia. To many it might seem like a dirt poor landlocked faction-riven backward muslim shithole with few natural resources and no infrastructure that they desperately wanted to walk away from without losing too much face, but we know that was just a pretence. And your geopolitical antenna is again uncannily astute that it knows implicitly that china will not be weighing the wests resolve on ukraine when calculating any future aggression against Taiwan. Instead you have the mature insight to accurately predict we'll be fighting a coalition of "baddies" like the opening scene of the naked gun .
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 15:34,
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convince?
as in someone changing their mind instead of defending their certitudes to the end with increasingly tenuous rationalisations? I guess it could in theory happen, but I've never witnessed it. Perhaps people capable of being open to better argument aren't the kind that need convincing. Bit of a catch 22
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cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 15:56,
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I always get Godwin's Law and Rule 34 mixed up
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 14:07,
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Be careful with that -
Some people are fucking Nazis about it.
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IHaveABadFeelingAboutThis most likely working from home on, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 14:47,
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Aright, Neville. In fairness, I'm not sure most people could have pointed out Ukraine on an atlas before February, let alone given an accurate account of the current situation in Donbas.
I'm totally in support of providing humanitarian aid, but that's where our contributions should have ended..
(, Wed 7 Sep 2022, 12:08, Reply)
