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This is a normal post That's one of my favourite youtube videos.
But oddly enough, after watching it many times, the best argument against the Moon landings being faked turns out to be that the Russians didn't even attempt to call bullshit.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 10:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post To me it’s people involved plus time
NASAs a civil agency and there were thousands of scientists, engineers, technicians, and their families involved in the Apollo program, along with collaborating scientists in telemetry stations around the globe. And it’s been 50 years. The idea that all those people would keep secret and lie about this big fake performance for that time, while you give equal credence to some nut job with YouTube channel, it takes a special kind of poor thinking that goes beyond ignorance. People who believe conspiracy theories do so not from limited information, though this is also usually true, but because believing makes them feel special. They then reject contrary facts as accepting them would be accepting that they were ignorant, and they’re special, right?
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post I knew Collins
He died last year here in Amsterdam.
He claimed to be a bit annoyed to be known as the moon-video guy, instead of his other works, but that may have been false modesty.
I think it's a brilliant rebuttal.
Not that it will have convinced those who wish to deny reality even if it pisses in their faces.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mex3 =mememe, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 12:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have a non-blood relative who is a flat-Earther, thinks space itself is fake*, so obviously the moon landings were faked.
I can dissect every single argument and answer every single question he has and none of it makes a difference to his faith in bullshit.

*He also believes in UFOs and alien abductions and refuses to acknowledge the contradiction.

It may be impossible to deprogram people who have been so radicalised, but we have to keep trying, right? :/
 (I helped save b3ta! brb homonecrobatrachophile, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 17:59, , Reply)
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To me it seems that many of these people are sad cases of neglected mental ilness, compounded by social media addiction and substance abuse/self medication.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mex3 =mememe, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 21:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post The mental illness thing is a bit chicken and egg imo.
I expect everyone is susceptible to a sufficiently well-crafted paranoid conspiracy theory. There are definitely ill people who are drawn to PCT, and PCT can certainly give people health problems (directly via stress, and also by affecting your healthcare choices). It's a lot like religion.

This family member isn't a substance abuser AFAIK (just drinks and vapes). He has various health problems and mainly seeks alternative nonsense to remedy it. Social media is largely to blame, for sure.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb homonecrobatrachophile, Wed 14 Feb 2024, 22:40, , Reply)
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Religion is a conspiracy theory.
Belief is the heart of the problem - the crux of the biscuit.

If you're prepared to believe things with no evidence, then you're open to accepting conspiracy theories.

Science is about putting aside any belief, and looking at factual evidence.

Religion shits on science.

I treat Christians the same as Flat Earthers - they have exactly the same amount of evidence for their extraordinary claims, ie zero.

Religion is evil.
 (ann onn, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 7:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post OK, now you're being a reductive idiot.

(The Porcupine From Purgatory Writtern By the Winners, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 9:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm with reductive idiot ^
Religion is a mental health issue
 (I helped save b3ta! simbosan liked your link on, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 10:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not quite the same thing.
You can actually provide evidence of a round Earth.

But you can't provide evidence that a hypothetical intangible DOESN'T exist, however flaky the argument might be that it DOES exist.
 (I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 16:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post There's no need to provide evidence to refute a claim made without evidence.

(I helped save b3ta! brb homonecrobatrachophile, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 16:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post That was not the point of that argument.

(I helped save b3ta! joefish It's hard for thee to kick against the pricks, Fri 16 Feb 2024, 18:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post I got it.
I’ll make the tea shall I? I know I have a teapot somewhere…
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Fri 16 Feb 2024, 19:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree with much of your sentiment but not so much with your arguments.
Most (if not all?) conspiracy theories rely on evidence, but the evidence they present is incomplete, misleading, or fabricated. Advance an idea, cherry pick evidence that supports the idea, and discredit evidence that falsifies the idea (often introducing supplementary conspiracies, some of which rely on the acceptance of other tangentially related conspiracy theories). It's a similar business model to the cross promotion within franchise fiction.

Most religions offer some form of evidence, even if it's obviously faked, merely anecdotal, and/or entirely unfalsifiable. Bad quality evidence is still evidence.

Religion is obviously the ultimate conspiracy theory, but many proponents claim that it's perfectly compatible with science and reason. Lots of religious people have won Nobel prizes in the sciences.

Science is not the narrow field you define it as, IMHO. There's a lot of science that goes on without any direct quantifiable evidence (several fields with the prefix astro, lots of pure mathematics, several fields with the prefix quantum, most social sciences, etc.)... Facts, like proofs, are subject to interpretation and change with new evidence, and that is the gift of science!

I'm fairly certain that all religions are false as their claims are arbitrary and parochial compared to the greater majesty of the universe revealed through science.

I'm fairly certain that the concept of evil belongs in fiction and theology but has no serious scientific application. It's a label given to things people would like you to stop thinking about, or just a value judgement suggesting something is irredeemably bad.

There are harmless forms of religion after all. Not all false beliefs have negative consequences.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb homonecrobatrachophile, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 16:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post Why keep trying?
There is an argument in psychiatry that suggests that arguing directly with a patient who is deluded can entrench the belief system. The delusion may be serving a purpose for that person.
Religion is a lot like that for some people, consolidating a mass of fears about mortality, morality and having to think hard; into an easily digested and supported belief system.
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 15 Feb 2024, 19:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post A) Maybe confronting his bullshit is a way of protecting my family against further memetic infection (and other toxic effects of his personality)
B) There are certain types of wrongness that just get my fucking goat.
C) Ignoring it or humouring him would seem more insulting than offering him the honest truth.

He has a short temper, a wide ignorance, and likes to dominate a conversation. I can't help myself.
 (I helped save b3ta! brb homonecrobatrachophile, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 20:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sounds pretty toxic
Minimising the damage is probably the best you can do, they often don't learn. I'd 'grey rock' the fucker 'til they got bored of me.

I don't have energy for people like that (or much else for that matter).
 (I helped save b3ta! FeralCatMan Unusual disease collector., Thu 15 Feb 2024, 21:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post It’s much easier to convince someone that a lie is true than it is to convince them that they’ve been lied to.
To do the former you merely need to overcome their intelligence; to do the latter you need to overcome their pride.
 (I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Fri 16 Feb 2024, 9:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post He died? That’s a shame.

(I helped save b3ta! jonbob loves you, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 1:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Buzz was right
The best counter argument is a punch in the face
 (I helped save b3ta! cumquat may will not be commenting further on the allegations, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 1:36, , Reply)
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Wikipedia claims he "died of cancer at his home in Naples, Florida".
Their two references don't verify that though. They're just links to obits saying he died, and not where.
If you're 100% sure he died in Amsters, please let me know, and I'll edit it.
 (ann onn, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 8:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post S G Collins was the film maker in Amsterdam
Michael Collins was the astronaut that died in Naples, Florida.
 (Mehitabel_Itrang, Thu 15 Feb 2024, 19:18, , Reply)