The Fail Online - Government unveils 'Big Brother' plan to log calls and emails of EVERY person in Britain
I never read the Daily Fail, or the Fail Online. I was linked to the article from another site. Honest guv.
Either way, Big Brother is already here.
What a shower of cunts.
"Our ability to intercept communications and obtain data is vital to fighting terrorism and serious crime including child sex abuse, murder and drugs trafficking," she said.
We're ALL terrorists now. YOU VILL OBEY!
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 13:53,
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You need
some goat
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Blackdogmanguitar is out with Fat Larry's Jazz Band on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:13,
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isnt there a story like this every day in the 'fail'
You should have posted this one,
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1077445/Alarm-Australias-beach-girls-paint-phone-numbers-skin-attract-boys.html
The stunt has been seen on at least two Sydney beaches.
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Elvis of Nazareth This isn't a sig, it's a fucking liberty., Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:16,
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Probably yes, they spew right-wing propaganda.
But this surveillance database is a fact.
I'm not making this shit up.
Ed: Also I notice they haven't printed my comment which stated that the British people ARE being terrorized, by their own elected officials.
Great times.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:19,
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'this surveillance database is a fact'?
'proposed' legislation is how the article calls it, with lots of suggestions of what 'could' happen if it does indeed become a 'fact'
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:26,
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Indeed
And the fact that the government would have the power (under certain circumstances) doesn't mean that it'll be exercised.
For the record, though I don't think that there's a right to privacy, I'm in no way a supporter of legislation like this. But if you're going to oppose it, at least get your facts right.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:33,
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Ooo interesting point
you don't think that there's a right to privacy.
I'd take the opposite view. Granted, I'm going on gut feeling on this, rather than having studied the implications for and against. But I think that the ability to carry on about your business without undue hindrance is of strong importance.
I'll also say that I'm strongly against this databasing, and other options that the gov are touting (ID Cards, incarceration without charge). Coming from Norn Irn, ID drivers licenses were introduced long before they started here, for the very same reasons, and did nothing to stop attacks on either side. Internment also pushed more people towards the violent extreme than it stopped. The grim reality is that if there are people who want to do something bad, no amount of preventative measures, will be 100% effective. You need to stop people from wanting to do the bad things, and that requires a more pragmatic approach.
So back to privacy. I'd be genuinely interested to know why you don't think that right exists. :)
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masakatsu best of all the burger meats, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 15:56,
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Well you don't expect us to THINK as well as read it do you!?
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..wil, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:33,
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Archibald...if the government..or any government 'propose' legislation for something it usually means that whatever they've 'proposed'..
..has already been put in place.
Bare in mind..
Counter-terrorism measures for a “Big Brother” giant database were first announced by Prime Minister Gordon Brown in February under the ‘Intercept Modernisation Programme'.
If you don't think this will happen then you're as crazy as a fox covered in ham.
Also the internet as we now know it will radically change. It will be heavily controlled and censored.
Shalom.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:34,
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as Enzyme rightfulyl points out above
If you're going to oppose something, at least get your facts right.
You can't claim the above as fact without 100% concrete proof and as yet, there is no proof of this actually happening now, only speculation based on an article you linked which quotes 'proposed' legislation.
It's bad enough that we live in a time when we can be fearful of our own Government at times, but for the opposers to also act as scaremongers quoting speculation as fact, it doesn't help their cause any either.
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:37,
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You don't need proof when you have instincts. Like a fox.
Seriously though, I'm not sure what proof you want. A picture of where the database is?
A website address?
They announced this back in February;
www.number10.gov.uk/Page14490
Which means it's all ready to go. You're assuming that everything your government tells you is a fact.
Shalom.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:41,
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No, I'm not assuming everything I'm told is a fact
You've made that assumption without evidence, see how easy it is to do? I kind of made that point in my reply.
I'm just stating that you jumped from a linked article from the Mail which quotes 'proposed' legislation to a statement which implied that this was bona fide fact - when the evidence at hand suggests that it has yet to be determined - hence the very careful use of the words in the mail article of 'proposed', 'could' and other terms which suggest what 'may' happen should it come in.
it's the use of language, arbitrarily throwing out the words 'truth' and 'fact' when they are used based upon speculation that really gets on my goat. It doesn't help the opposers cause either.
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:45,
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I omitted the fact that I've read about this 'PROPOSED' database over a year ago.
Much like alot of things I whack on /links, they've been a long time coming.
I'm not making giant leaps here based on a Daily Fail article.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:48,
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Well this we didn't know, y'see
when all you give us is a Daily Fail article and start quoting it as fact - in contradiction to what the article actually says - without the back up, it gives the impression of being a bit 'scare-mongering' if you catch my drift.
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:49,
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Oh I understand completely.
I often assume that maybe there's a small number of people who have been following all this stuff over the last few years.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:53,
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If some of the opposers to Goverments didn't arbitrarily throw around words like 'truth' and 'fact'
with little to no evidence in many, many. many internet articles and arguments, I'm sure there would be more than a small number of people. :D
I'm quite open to a lot of this collective 'stuff' (for want of a better word) but I like to break it down using rational explantion, and actually seeing evidence to back up the words 'truth' and 'fact' when used.
It's a bugbear of mine (bordering on OCD) on the mis-use of the word 'truth' on the internet these days. It's often just an opinion, based upon other internet information.
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:57,
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Oh, I get what you're saying.
You shouldn't believe ANYTHING without facts and evidence.
Sometimes this evidence has come cumulatively, so trying to proof something to someone who doesn't have that cumulative knowledge is near impossible.
Semantics? I'd like some antics.
:D
Laters.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 15:03,
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" it usually means that whatever they've 'proposed' has already been put in place. "
Really?
Where's the evidence for this assertion?
Damn. Why do these things always start when I have to go and do job-type things? IT'S A CONSPIRACY, I TELLS YER.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:43,
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Well, history for one thing.
I don't have the time to got through every 'proposed' piece of legislation, when it was announced and when it became a fact.
I'm sure there's some sort of graph available.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:45,
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History isn't evidence, History is experience
Just because it has happened, doesn't mean for certain it'll happen again.
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:48,
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It's also a Michael Jackson album.
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:51,
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Damn that history
Damn it all to hell!
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:52,
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You need to look at the man in the mirror.
I gotta go Archie, I have enjoyed this.
:)
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(|D[ekionplexis B3ta.com: fictional child porn is OK, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:54,
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haha, indeed fella, thank you :)
calm discussion - /links needs more of this
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The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:58,
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censored? NEVER!
They will take my goatse when they pry my cold dead fingers out of his -
*eeeeeuuurgh*
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somegreybloke, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 14:45,
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www.securevpn.com
I use this now, so not even my ISP can see what I'm doing. Of course, the VPN company can, but at leastmy ISP can't shape my traffic and shit like that.
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Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Wed 15 Oct 2008, 16:09,
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