i wonder if he was around 900 years ago
he'd be complaining about posh Norman kids talking like the English peasants. Or if that analogy even works..
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mutated monty, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 15:12,
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It works dude. It works :)
I say it works, it may be historically questionable, but it made me chuckle. And that's all that matters. Apart from history and junk.
Um, Starkeys a dick.
(, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 15:15, Reply)
One of my uni friends...
...once had lunch at the Ivy with Starkey, and ran into Simon Schama, or it may have been the other way around.
Apparently the tension was excruciating, and for a moment he thought they were going to have a history off. It's like a dance-off, but with footnotes and sources.
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prince-igor si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 15:51,
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haha!
i'm imagining the piano player stopping and everyone turning round to watch
(, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 16:07, Reply)
of course he wouldn't be complaining about that...
they aren't black.
silly.
(, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 16:47, Reply)
In case there's still any doubt
Here's a nice blog entry about the notion that Jamaican Patois or any variety of English for that matter has anything to do with Starkey's issue.
languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=3365
I can't know about his abilities as a historian from this clip, but if he treats the subject anything like he treats questions about language, I hope he isn't still teaching anyone . :)
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the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 17:26,
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I know this could be unpopular but...
I find it concerning that people can be so wilfully ignorant as to the point Starkey may actually have been trying to make! Toby Young from the Telegraph defended him saying:
"Starkey wasn't talking about black culture in general, but, as he was anxious to point out, a 'particular form' of black culture, i.e. 'the violent, destructive, nihilistic, gangster culture' associated with Jamaican gangs and American rap music."
The person responsible for your link describes Starkey as a "moron" and that "white historians must have an innate intelligence deficit". I rather think that the "moron" is the one grossly misinterpreting Starkey's proposition in attempt to try and appear more intelligent than someone who gained a PhD and Fellowship from Cambridge University. On a blog.
Forget length, sorry for weight. Ummmm...KITTENS!!
(, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 19:45, Reply)
starkey is like the ignorant old white men that said that gansta rap was causing gang violence.
it's pathetic.
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tickle I was away, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 21:21,
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Ru fo rizzle?
You seriously think that there's no connection between gangsta rap - a genre that has been accused of 'promoting violence, profanity, sex, homophobia, racism, and plenty more' - and gang violence? Seriously?
(, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 22:27, Reply)