I get that, the Jack Nicholson joker was rubbish
but the Heath Ledger one... how or why exactly was he the joker? no backstory in the movie, no reason for him to look like he did, or be called the Joker. He was a great villian, but didn't need the make-up or the name
(, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 8:30, Reply)
That was the air of mystery behind him
he was called The Joker because of the The Joker Playing Card he left as his calling card. Some people didn't get the idea that he changed his story about how he got his facial scars and thought it was a continuity error, but instead it illustrated that The Joker didn't want people to know his back-story and he makes it up as and when it suits him.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 8:38,
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he told different versions of the slashed face backstory to different people,
but why would it need to actually show it? films don't have to take you by the hand through everything do they? I liked the ambiguity.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 8:38,
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yeah I get that too
but there was the Scarecrow, he made sense, he scared you, and with that burlap sack looked like a scarecrow, fine. Harvey Dent made sense, the whole half face thing, Bane has that mask which pumps him full of anaesthetic and whatnot, it all makes sense. But with the Joker, there was just no reason, he didn't tell jokes, the playing card thing isn't explained, or the make-up. He was just a (very good) generic psychopath. It just feels like a big plot hole.
(, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 9:01, Reply)
In the starting dialogue of The Dark Knight the bank robbers discuss The Joker
It's all theatrics, he's anarchistic there is no reason other than because he is.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 9:06,
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Well other than adding another movie on to explain The Joker then there isn't a lot that can be done
I like the fact that we don't know who he is, his backstory, or why he wears makeup like a clown it adds to the mystery.
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maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 9:43,
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Sounds a good idea
Superheroes get their own movies, supervillians should too!
The whole 'air of mystery' thing seems tacked on after the fact, to explain away a hole. It could still have been done in a few minutes in the movie with a 'what do we know about him?' scene, with a few rumours etc. throwing some possibilities up. It didn't need to be definitive. The only reason that they could get away with this is because everyone is as familiar with the Joker as they are Batman.
(, Fri 13 Jul 2012, 10:12, Reply)