No that's not what I said....
The crusades are still going on.
People are killing to spread their religion and to secure holy sites.
And the Jihadists don't represent the life and values Muslim populations any more than the brown shirts represented the British public
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 12:38,
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Bollocks are they,
the Muslims already have all the holy sites, the two holiest ones, Medina and Mecca, being in Saudi Arabia. Unless they want Stonehenge I don't know what you're referring to.
Jihadists don't represent most ordinary Muslims, this is true. Nevertheless they are fighting for what they believe to be their own indigenous culture, even against other Muslims in fact. We are seeing that in Syria.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 12:45,
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Fannies they are.
What, Jerusalem isn't a holy site?
And Syria isn't about religion.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 12:51,
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is there fighting in Jerusalem?
Syria isn't about religion. "Islamism" isn't about religion. It's jingoism in religious garb.
Tell me what Syria is about. If you think the Syrian rebels are fighting for democracy, you've got it backwards. Syria was one of the most secular and Westernised countries in the middle east, most people there support the government, the rebels are Islamists.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 12:55,
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"is there fighting in Jerusalem?" Really?
Ok, things may be quieter these past few years but it's still a holy site coveted by all sides.
I bow to your better knowledge of the great democratic state of Syria.
And ignore Assads support of Hezbollah.
Secular does not mean democratic and Religious does not mean dictatorship.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 13:00,
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well I just typed "Jerusalem" into Google news and it didn't come up "fighting".
Who supports who is really besides the point... the United States supports Islamist regimes as well. They're pals with Saudi Arabia, for one.
Secular doesn't mean democratic, this is true. Syria might not be as democratic as we would like, the Ba'ath party is a sort of national socialism so I won't stick up for them.
Religious doesn't mean dictatorship, but Islamist usually does.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 13:07,
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Well I certainly can't argue with google results for a single keyword
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 13:18,
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I'm glad.
Islamists want to completely destroy the State of Israel, of course, but Jerusalem isn't that much of a hot spot by the general standards of the middle East at the moment. It might be a point of annoyance to some people but it's not fundamentally what this is all about. It's about globalisation, which is little more than the privatised continuation of European imperialism.
Certainly nobody is making bombs in London's suburbs in an attempt to take Jerusalem.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Thu 19 Jul 2012, 13:23,
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