totally. and it's changed.
as social norms do. possibly partly cos of activism of teh naked ramblers type of activism.
i'm not arguing that wearing clothes is right or wrong, just that it's a social norm and if you deviate from a social norm you will often be breaking the law and should expect the consequences. the naked rambler does expect it. i think he has a better handle on the situation than moon girl.
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tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:42,
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It is a social norm,
but I do not believe that the purpose of the law is to uphold conformity to social norms, it is to protect vulnerable people from harm.
I don't believe that wandering around naked is wrong or that it does anybody any harm and I fully support anyone's right to do it if they wish. If society has a problem with that, society has to justify it.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:47,
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google law and read whatever article comes up first.
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tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 17:50,
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Thank you.
I think I agree with this man
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Dworkin
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:47,
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fuck if that's your first result you should use duckduckgo instead of google.
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tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:03,
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haha no,
I got the Wikipedia article on Law but I clicked through some links.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:08,
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so you saw the socially normal definition then kept clicking til you found some outlier guy.
what a surprise.
look i'm not a super mainstream person and i think that a naked dude isn;t doing me any harm but i'm not everyone and it seems like the general consensus (in society rather than on b3ta) is that people ought to keep their clothes on. are you able to see that?
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tickle I was away, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:14,
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There is no "socially normal" definition that I can see,
the definition is:
Law is a system of rules and guidelines which are enforced through social institutions to govern behavior.[3] Laws are made by governments, specifically by their legislatures. The formation of laws themselves may be influenced by a constitution (written or unwritten) and the rights encoded therein. The law shapes politics, economics and society in countless ways and serves as a social mediator of relations between people.
Nowhere is law defined as "social norms", do point me to the paragraph you are referring to. I hope you aren't misunderstanding the term "normative". If you look that up you will get back to Dworkin again.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:24,
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Do you really think if people disagree
with the law then they should just break it anyway, rather than campaign to change it?
There are plenty of naturist places to go if you want to walk around in the nip. This guy is just an attention seeking moron.
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monkeon schmonkeon, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 18:59,
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First really good point so far!
Well it depends on the law, I think. There are some things that the law, to my mind, simply has no right to forbid. I've spoken to plenty of people who take this line on recreational drugs, in fact I've had these conversations on B3ta.
Maybe there should be a campaign to change it, because it's a silly law, but it's also a fairly trivial issue that not many people care about, I guess.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Fri 20 Jul 2012, 19:16,
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Well, I suspect they have different social norms on the moon.
On the tube he should probably wear clothes. On Bodmin Moor, I'd probably leave him to it.
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