So what percentage do then?

( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:42, 1 reply)

I've no idea.
But I do know that many girls - certainly the ones around me - want to have sex, and also enjoy sex, and that some get off on showing themselves off.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:44, closed)

I don't think anyone is denying that
the denial comes from the idea that those women are the ones making porn. It might be nicer and simpler to say 'of course they enjoy it, and are doing it in a sexually liberated fashion, being paid a decent wage, treated like human beings, and are DEFINITELY not trafficked into it or abused or raped at any stage' because it prevents any need to think about it or question it. Some of them are obviously. A lot of them aren't. I don't think you can very easily tell the difference.

Bugger. Way too serious for the internet
( Amberl was stripey and dominated Europe, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 15:47, closed)

Yes - I've already personally apologised to chickenlady for being a humourless twat about it all.
Have a good Friday - I'm off to try and get my Mrs drunk.
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:00, closed)

Some of the most horrifying porn I've ever seen
has been some stuff where the women's expressions are empty. Where their mouths are smiling but their eyes are vacant. Or where their mouths are smiling, but their eyes have that glint of horror, as if one last vestige of the soul is crying out for rescue.

I've seen some pretty eye-watering stuff, a lot of which didn't turn me on, but the stuff which has actually made me question the legitimacy of the porn business is the stuff where the women honestly look like they're hating everything they're doing.

Nothing wrong with filming people fucking, but for God's sake leave it to those who genuinely enjoy it.
( flake has nothing against your right leg, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:49, closed)

Well said!

( Tourette's ( . )( . ) has a monkey hair in her fried egg, Tue 16 Aug 2011, 2:06, closed)

Uhuh. But why support an industry that is exploitative and abusive
just because a few women are having a good time?
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:30, closed)

Good point.
Down with the 24/7 IT support business.
( flake has nothing against your right leg, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:44, closed)

*ponders*
*quits job in academia*
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 12 Aug 2011, 16:47, closed)

Bobbi Starr has an interesting take on it.
Starr considers herself a pro-sex feminist. Even though she acknowledges that some feminists consider pornography to be degrading to women, Starr asserts, "I don't feel degraded because it is my decision. I know that if I did ever feel degraded or feel uncomfortable, all I need to do is say no and it would stop. I don't think something where women have so much control in the situation can be considered degrading towards women.

Taken from Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobbi_Starr
( The Resident Loon Not a demographic. Do not measure., Fri 12 Aug 2011, 22:54, closed)

Isn't it nice that she has control?
Point still stands: just because some women have control doesn't make it any less exploitative and abusive for the women who don't.

I would also describe myself as a pro-sex feminist. However, I'm a pro-sex feminist who doesn't like seeing people being mistreated.
( crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Mon 15 Aug 2011, 11:29, closed)

Good point
I shall boycott Primark forthwith
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Mon 15 Aug 2011, 15:56, closed)