yes. this
I find the more I learn of welfare politics the more confused my political position becomes

1) people who lose their jobs shouldnt be penalised for it or left to starve
2) people who are unwilling to work but perfectly able shouldnt be supported by taxpayers
3) people who dont work shouldnt do better than those who do work
4) people shouldnt be punished for poverty or long-term illness

If I could square all these opinions I'd try and do it, but I can't.
A benefits system requires an ethos among its users. I think thats the problem
(Carpe Cyprinidae, Thu 3 Oct 2013, 19:32, 1 reply)

Or you accept that no system is perfect, and attempt to minimise abuse whilst doing your utmost to ensure that you don't penalise people for, say, being born.
The current government don't seem to understand this, and so come off as a bunch of Gollums, frantically trying to stop anyone getting their hands on the precious.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Thu 3 Oct 2013, 19:37, closed)