I went past wiry at 15, I'm into gorse territory.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 18:54, 1 reply, 15 years ago)

r at
( Lisette von Falcon, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 18:58, Reply)

*applauds*

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 18:58, Reply)

took me ages to work it out! may be too stoned already
but bravo Kristine
( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:01, Reply)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S35THmZD_E
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:06, Reply)

nice. heard it on zane lowe this week, good vid.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:11, Reply)

Top track, I think I may have converted Poppet to commercial dubstep with this one.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:11, Reply)

shit! I have to send her cv back, good reminder. I'll do yours too tomorrow.

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:15, Reply)

Ha, best had, she's waiting for it.
Edit: actually the sooner the better, she'd really appreciate it.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:15, Reply)

sorted, onto yours next

( SteveFrench Cardio is for homo's. do you even lift bro?, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:52, Reply)

Hmmm
So that's what Dubstep is, they play a lot of that in one of my local dives on the weekend and I weep to see the amount of Skinsesque young fitties gyrating and copping off randomly - not with me of course, I'm 30+ and hairy. Think it's the first entire genre of music I've ever heard that makes me feel old. I just don't get it, sounds like the radgiest drum and bass ever after an uncomfortable amount of nitrous oxide and ketamine?

At least I know what it's called now. Each to their own, tomayto, tomahto etc I suppose.
(Alfonso Bongo BELL AIRE HORSE EXTRAORDINAIRE, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:26, Reply)

I'm 35 and hairy, get in fucking line.
Dubstep is effectively half-speed drum and bass, a little hip-hoppy if you fancy. It's a head-nodder in my book, although it does go through dub and darkness in its various guises. Being a junglist at heart and taking into account my love affair with hip hop I've really identified with it, especially when loud as fuck with a good sub.

And a whole lot of dubstep is absolute bandwagoning crapshite. You have to filter through a lot of dirge to find the good stuff.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:29, Reply)

I realise this may make me sound like a pretentious cunt.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:30, Reply)

Not at all.
I have an uneasy relationship with dubstep. There is alot of serious, intelligent dubstep around- people like Martyn, Modeselektor, Benga etc then there is the wideboy shit that Caspa peddles.

Personally, I like the stuff that veers towards techno- I've been listening to Shackleton and the aforementioned Martyn lately. Just don't really like the wub stuff.

Post dubstep stuff is great too- Burial is superb, as is Mt Kimbie. When it comes to dubstep on a system though, I just don't dance to it. I can't take it seriously as raving music.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:35, Reply)

I don't dance anyway so that's moot, I'm a headnodder.
I dunno how to divide genres but I definitely know what I like, and it's generally swinging towards the quirky and commercial side of the scene as opposed to dark or "trying to be clever with bass synths" side of stuff. I'd lean towards clever beats over dirty bass any day of the week.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:39, Reply)

When I first heard Burial I was astonished.
I barely consider his stuff dubstep anyway, but when I heard it I wondered when 'urban' music had got so clever. Ghostly samples, intricate, cleverly programmed beats and heartbreaking melodies. All that from a garage & grime background. Incredible.

It's like Mogwai- a bunch of Glaswegian teenagers when they did Helicon 1 & 2, brought out Come On Die Young when they were very early twenties- incredible depth in the music and breadth of influences.

At the time I was describing Burial's Untrue as 'CODY era Mogwai, as remixed in the rain by Go Plastic era Squarepusher, in a cave'.

Sums it up nicely.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:44, Reply)

Just had a quick run through rated stuff on iTunes:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbJ-1g5dyVM
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2YEVZZOWLY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zO7H2yGvrU
www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPb1w7s7iUQ
www.youtube.com/watch?v=heX7gXWk0FA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6ZJhMfOpMA
All quite commercial I think but I love each one for individual reasons.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:46, Reply)

You must have heard 'Night' by Benga & Coki, right?
I heart that track. The way the melody and the sub interact is wonderful.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:49, Reply)

I've no idea but listening now.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=haAxsi9MKWA
Hahah ok yeah I already like it.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:53, Reply)

It's great.
Totally infectious.

See what I mean about how the rhythm reflects the melody when it breaks and reforms?
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 19:56, Reply)

Kinda, it feels like it's old though.
I dunno, that may well be pretentious, but whatever I've been listening to for the past year somehow sounds more "modern".
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:06, Reply)

It's a couple of years old now. Maybe more.
Seminal record.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:08, Reply)

I have "Untrue" and the eponymous album coming down the streams now.

( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:14, Reply)

They are both excellent, but Untrue is better.
Untrue's work with vocal samples is very very clever.

interviews:

www.guardian.co.uk/music/2007/oct/26/urban

www.thewire.co.uk/articles/347/

Mourning a movement he never directly experienced. Weird but touching.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:22, Reply)

Ah... Burial is dubstep too?
I like that guy.. used to listen to his (or her?) stuff a few years ago when it was tres hipsterish. A lot more chilled than the above.
(Alfonso Bongo BELL AIRE HORSE EXTRAORDINAIRE, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:05, Reply)

The above isn't chilled?
That's probably some of the more laid-back stuff, I don't like it too dirty or indulgent.
( Noeli overtheshoulderboulderholderthingstraplatchboobs, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:07, Reply)

Burial is always referred to as dubstep, but I don't class him as such.
Not enough sub and the beats are more garage.

He is very, very talented at what he does. Captivating, emotional, intense, distant, intimate and ghostly.
(dozers, do fuck off ur a nob m8, Fri 25 Feb 2011, 20:10, Reply)