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(I helped save b3ta! rob, Sun 1 Apr 2001, 1:00)
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In all seriousness, you are of course technically correct,
but I stand by the fact that is not how people use the terms. They just use them as a lazy shorthand for personal taste.
(I helped save b3ta! scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:02, 2 replies, latest was 14 years ago)
Monty and I have just used them in the technically correct manner. ARE WE NOT PEOPLE TOO?

(I helped save b3ta! crackhouseceilidhband Fuck off back to Mumsnet, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)
No, you are B3tans, silly.

(I helped save b3ta! scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)
In all seriousness, you are a bent spastic.

(I helped save b3ta! Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:04, Reply)
I thought that has already been very well established anyway?

(I helped save b3ta! scarpe We Stole Bikes, Fri 10 Feb 2012, 12:05, Reply)

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