I never mentioned drivers
and of course it's not every cyclist, but to say cyclists don't jump reds is ridiculous and you know it, I see many every single day
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 23 Jul 2012, 11:13, 2 replies, latest was 13 years ago)

I see many car drivers jumping red lights
Lets say all car drivers are self righteous pricks
( Peej, Mon 23 Jul 2012, 11:15, Reply)

I didn't say it doesn't happen.
In my experience of it, most cyclists obey traffic lights and are embarrassed by those that don't - it gives us all a bad name.

Fair point, you didn't mention drivers - but that does appear to be where most anger towards cyclists comes from, as if we're unfairly encroaching on 'their' domain.
( Devil_In_Tights the *real* DiT!, Mon 23 Jul 2012, 11:16, Reply)

I like to step out in front of cyclists barrelling towards pedestrian crossings when the right is red
just to make them screech to a halt, they inevitably get very angry
( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Mon 23 Jul 2012, 11:17, Reply)