reading comprehension dear boy.
85k is 85k if that's all they ever sell it's a flop, only time will tell if it is all they sell or if it goes on to be a massive (and unlikely) success.

I've not seen a Zune in the flesh, that's what that sentence was about, not go back and reread it properly.

my perception of the product is not coloured by the people who buy it, my perception of the people is coloured by the product. it's a silly product so people who buy it are silly, not silly people buy it so it's a silly product.

I never commented on the mechanism of the demise of the laserdisc, zune or betamax tape, I merely used them to show that you could sell more than 85k and still flop, but, if you want an example of something that died on it's arse, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_Wrist_PDA although I'll grant initial sales were not as fast as this.
( CQ Knows the truth, all of it., Wed 3 Jul 2013, 11:30, Reply)