@Enzyme
I'll happily take a shit on them.

Seriously though, I think the point we agree on is that they do deserve to be there, and they deserve to serve the sentences handed down to them.

Captain Placid makes the point that if/when they do make it out of prison, they will struggle to adjust to life. But I think that relates to No3l's first point - "But they've done the crime, will do the time (however long it is) and should be given the opportunity for reintegration into society when their punishment is over."

While I would happily see them rot in jail, once they have served their time correctly (i.e. no time off for good behaviour) then I would accept (not welcome) them back into society, because they have paid their price.

It hearkens back to the Jamie Bulger killing. If the killers had served their time, I don't think the public outrage on their release would have reached the pitch it did.

I think the prison system should allow them to try to better themselves, be it learning a trade, or just getting a qualification. That way, they're a lot less likely to end up back in jail within 6 months.
( Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Wed 29 Oct 2008, 11:19, Reply)