I think DF
was referring to the fact that 'jubilant' and 'elated' are similar emotions, whereas if England were to lose, the mood of the people would be described by neither of these words.

(Except in Scotland, of course)


Edit - ^^ as I thought
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:10, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

Good work Mr K
I'm going to table this now, pre-emptively - Scotland have no right to crow if England get knocked out, because they at least qualified. The Irish, on the other hand, are perfectly entitled to laugh at France's piss-poor showing on account of the French cheating to qualify at Ireland's expense
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:20, Reply)

Oh, no, you misunderstand
The Scots would not crow about it. It's pure Schadenfreude at seeing England lose, rather than a feeling of superiority.

We all know the Scottish team is pish. Even when we thought we were going to Argentina to win the cup in 1978 under Ally McLeod, then ended up being thumped by Peru. We look back on that and laugh about it now.

But many Scots have a right chip on their shoulder about the English, and are part of the ABE (anyone but England) brigade. I must admit I'm sick and tired of the media hype but I'm not really caring whether the England team do well or badly. I haven't even watched a whole match in the World Cup.
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:24, Reply)

Didn't actually realise you were Scottish
otherwise I might have been more personal with the above :-) I have to admit I'm glad I wasn't quite born at the time of the '78 World Cup. To see Scotland heading off to Argentina with what looked like a decent team whilst we missed out for the second time running would have been excruciating. The weird thing is that in such circumstances I think most English people, my Dad for example, cheered for Scotland in England's absence. I don't get that. Sorry.
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:27, Reply)

Yeah, I know
Most English cheer on the Scots if they're not playing England. Most Scots cheer on whoever's playing England. A small minority are ambivalent. A negligible number actively support England when they're playing.

I'm one of the ambivalents. I don't see any point in cheering on a team other than one's own, but I don't hate the English team so I don't really care.
( K2k6 has a proper job these days, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:31, Reply)

Seconded
I'll cheer for Wales as I'm half-Welsh but only as long as they're not playing England. Not much point anyway. They're shit.

I have been taking an interest in New Zealand's fortunes in this World Cup, mostly because I have family out there but partly because seeing them hold the World Champions to a draw was fucking hilarious
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:36, Reply)

after having lived in Wales for 4 years
I got put right off Welsh sporting teams. The Welsh are the worst losers and manage somehow to be even worse winners.

Fortunately when I was at uni we consistently thrashed the shit out of them at rugby.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:38, Reply)

You were a rugby player?
That explains a lot...
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:46, Reply)

by we I meant England
I played rugby for my school for a couple of years when I started secondary school.

by the time I got to uni I was far too stoned all the time to even contemplate playing rugby. and even if I wasn't, I wouldn't have played. Have you seen rugby boys? fucking awful quasi-benders.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:50, Reply)

^this in spades
Never played on a rugby team, but more than once have encountered the braying public school arseholes that make them up, who seem to adore games that involve getting naked and performing debasing acts in the presence of other braying public school arseholes or pissing in your mate Biffo's pint while Belcher cracks one out into his kit-bag. WHIZZO!
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:54, Reply)

so true
that sort of thing is very much not for me

(I was particularly proud of my quasi-benders remark)
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:56, Reply)

I like it
and think you should find more ways to use it in conversation.

(And likewise, I too prefer my biscuits crunchy...)
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:59, Reply)

Officelol

(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 10:01, Reply)

When I thought you were a rugby man
I was going to accuse you of chronic bumdering and smuggery on account of this hobby. I am pleased that you agree wholesale with my opinion of the sport, and also that I wasn't wrong about the smuggery.

In all fairness "quasi-benders" is an awesome word
(Darth Foxtrot A one-man army dedicated to making fetch happen, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 10:00, Reply)

sm b
(LongJohnBaldry, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 10:00, Reply)

My secondary school was full of itself
And invested heavily in the rugby team (financed tours abroad etc). I was on the fencing team, who were arguably more successful despite being largely self-funded. The rugby team were adamant that fencing, aka hitting people with swords, is totally gay compared to rugby, a game where you roll in the mud with men and grab their nuts, then shower with them.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Wed 23 Jun 2010, 9:58, Reply)