I believe we can be a great race within the limits that we exist.
I don't believe people should stop striving to better themselves or our civilisation, because we have to make the most of what we have and to try and perpetuate ourselves and so forth, but I also don't harbour any doubts that beyond our small sphere of influence we will have no impact.

I absolutely think that we could achieve amazing things, but only when measured at an appropriate scale.

When viewed against the sheer enormity of the rest of everything it's my opinion that trying to think we matter is absurd.

Fortunately it is also irrelevant, so there isn't really any point in thinking about it, other than as an interesting philosophical exercise.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:34, 1 reply, 16 years ago)

Yep, but I like this exercise
(although you lost me with a few fancy words, up there)

Give us a couple of billions of years and we might have expanded through half of the universe.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:37, Reply)

we might
and I'm totally in support of it. I'm just not holding my breath in anticipation ;-)

thoroughly enjoying the discussion. which words lost you?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:39, Reply)

I like being able to discuss these things without
a) being called a freak/nerd
b) getting the other person upset and shouting at me :)

I'm not holding my breath either, but I really hope so. And I really believe that our acts today will have an effect on the future, somehow. Sometimes a big effect, sometimes just something small, but they do.

Striving and harbour, but I think I got the general meaning.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:43, Reply)

I love discussions like this
It's why I studied Philosophy.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:46, Reply)

yeah, me too
it's why I studied civil engineering....

I was saying to my mrs the other day that I really miss this sort of discussion, it's the sort of thing I used to do with mates at uni and stuff all day/night, and these days I only really get it on here.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:47, Reply)

At some LARPs, when people are drinking around a campfire early in the morning
I like to kick off debates about fate vs free will, and just watch people talk, chipping in here and there with counter arguments to keep things flowing.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:51, Reply)

I miss them a lot too
We had compulsory Phylosophy at school for 2 years (17 and 18 years old). I wanted to be an engineer, so I didn't study it any longer, but kept reading some good books.

Those 2 years we'd spend the day on the beach, singing and discussing about life and humanity. Great times.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:53, Reply)

well, we are all quite freaky and nerdy
I don't tend to get upset, unless someone is being absolutely wrong and won't accept it. In this sort of discussion it's hard to be dead wrong.

striving = working towards
harbour = have
:-)
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:47, Reply)

Ta-ra
I had the meaning right!

Yep, and if someone gets upset I can just switch this thing off.

My friends were all a bit close minded, but I loved so much to make them think different, even if I wasn't really sure of what I was saying :P
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:55, Reply)

nice work :-)
that's true

I don't tend to argue anyway. Been with my mrs for 6 years and we've never argued, we've had disagreements, but not what I'd call an argument.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:57, Reply)

Oh I've had arguments
My girlfriend likes to win such discussions, even when there can't be a 'winner'.
( Labia Majora You keep on talking but it makes no sense at all, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 11:58, Reply)

was talking about this with my mate the other day
I'd had a number of beers and jagers and spliffs and came to the conclusion that it's a result of being too laid back and too right :-D
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 12:00, Reply)

:D
I don't argue about these things, as nobody can win. I get upset about more material things, I'm affraid.

I used to discuss with that crazy poet boyfriend I had (the one that stopped the cars) because he was far too pesimist without a reason.
(Aberracion Life's getting very complicated, but a lot of fun., Tue 3 Aug 2010, 12:07, Reply)

I only occasionally argue with my mum
That's it.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 12:01, Reply)

no you don't

( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 12:02, Reply)

Yes i fucking do!
Shit.
( Roota zweeeeeoooooowm, Tue 3 Aug 2010, 12:04, Reply)