Womanwhocanonlylivewithdogs
makes a good point. It's alright saying you should look before crossing on a green man, but what about the blind and partially sighted? They have to rely on the fact that when the crossing beeps it *should* be safe to cross. Modern bikes are almost silent nowadays, good luck hearing one before it's almost on top of you.
(Petite chien is going to do science to it, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 11:07, 1 reply)

I'm talking about pedestrians who step into the road without looking. No argument from me that crossing pedestrian crossings with people even in the vicinity and riding on the pavement is out of order. Pavement is for pedestrians, roads are for cars and ideally proper seperate cycle paths are for cyclists.
(Pete_G, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 11:25, closed)

Stepping into the road without looking is not a crime
Jumping a red light on a bicycle is.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 11:40, closed)

Stepping into the road on a green man, pedestrians should not HAVE to look.
Likewise - whatabout the blind?
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 11:45, closed)

I think...
...what Pete_G is trying to say is that pedestrians who step out into an ordinary stretch of road without looking are a danger to themselves and other road users. Pedestrians stepping out into the road at a designated crossing should absolutely not have to look.

I cycle 7 miles each way to work and back every day and I obey the red lights and so on, up until the point that my light is just about to turn green and I get a bit of a jump on the traffic behind me.

What seems incredibly ridiculous is that other cyclists will abuse me for obeying the law...

Edit: I've just read a reply at the bottom of the page about stopatred.org and pledged to not ride through red lights... Look at me! I'm a virtuous cyclist!
(Sir Itchalot has a very self-referential signature, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 12:09, closed)

Good on you
we need more like you
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Wed 4 Aug 2010, 12:22, closed)