Oh, 'Swipe...
... this post is so nose-deep in crap, it's difficult to know where to start. I'll try to keep it short.

1. It's not possible just to get a job from out of nowhere.
2. The idea that we give free stuff to the "dregs" of the world is false. Most immigrants get just about nothing by way of benefits. There was a survey recently of recently arrived illegals. Most had no idea that they were coming to Britain, and most of those who did know that they were coming to Britain had no idea that there would be any state benefits.

You call them immigrants; I call them entrepreneurs.

3. You pay tax and NI as a contribution partly to pay for the good things that living here provides, and partly out of minimal decency. Face it, if you're paying £3k a month in tax, you aren't exactly hard done by. Grow up.

4. By what standard are there too many? Only about 10% of the UK is built on, and even that land is ineffiently used. Moreover, the "too many" of whom you speak probably refers to the elderly and those who simply haven't died yet. The economy needs young immigrants to pay for them, given that the reproduction rate in the UK is currently about 1.6 children per family. (Replacement rate is 2.1.)

On the topic of overcrowding, though: presumably, if you're anti-immigtation, you're also pro-cancer, since cancer kills more people than migrate here. So to cure cancer would push up the population further. I take it you're pro-cancer, then?

Sorry, 'Swipe: we both know you're much smarter than this.
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 14:54, 3 replies)

I'm going to add a bit of "this"
here.

I'm actually genuinely surprised and slightly depressed that the very original poster has got some agreement and support here. I really, genuinely thought this place was better than that. Oh well. Perhaps society really is fucked into a cocked hat, then. Let's burn this fucking world.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 17:20, closed)

Yes. This. In spades. And buckets.

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 17:41, closed)

hmmm
1 yes it is. you can clean graffiti off trains and walls, you can visit lonely old people in homes or hospitals or shop/cook/clean for them, you can empty bins in the park, you can clean the leaves off the train lines, you can recycle, you can do something. then you have earned your money, the environment is a nicer place, and everyone wins!

2 with respect, i think it is a bit naive to say that most people who have just arrived illegally in britain had no idea this was where they were coming and it was just pure good luck that they didn't end up somewhere less hospitable. for example, look at the people in calais who risk their lives to cling under trains etc to get here. and every single one of them says "britain is where i am going". that being said, so what, i couldn't care less where someone comes from so long as they want to work when they get here!

3 well, i quite literally work my arse off for it. and i don't resent paying the tax; i am left with an extremely comfortable amount that no-one could complain about (although i will NOT be telling my boss that on pay review!!). but it does anger me that i feel it gets pissed away. i have always thought you should be able to nominate where your taxes go. in which case, my tax contributions would go on the NHS, education and transport in that order, before anywhere else. as it is, NHS staff who do an amazing job often get paid a pittance compared to the job that they do, ditto teachers... i am not saying i shouldn't have to pay that much in tax, i am saying i would like it to be used in paying higher wages to nurses, teachers etc, not be given to some little scrote to spend on beer and fags (or some braindead out of touch MP to feed his ducks, come to that!).

4 there are too many people when the services can't cope with them. schools, hospitals, roads, trains - all full. i like the fact that so much of this country is pretty and green. i don't want to see it carpeted with identikit housing estates. maybe the better answer is to spend the money on regenerating dying towns, but who is realistically going to want to move there until there is a reason to do so? my family are all from various parts of yorkshire where the town centres are dying off because the industry has gone. not one of their youngsters wants to stay, they all have their eyes on manchester or london or birmingham.

cancer? come on, you can do better than this hyperbolic argument!
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 9:57, closed)

Your fourth point is a bit scary
Other people should tolerate shit lives and conditions so you can see fields and squirrels? Careful there.

What if you have kids? Why do they have more right to take a little bit of that green field than someone who emigrates here? Or if the country is "full" by your reasoning, should they have to fuck off somewhere else the minute they turn 18?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 10:33, closed)

don't worry, i will never be inflicting my genes
on society!

i just meant that it seems pointless to build new things when there is so much that is already built that could be regenerated.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 10:52, closed)

that I wholeheartedly agree with.
But it's not really an immigration issue. IMO.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 10:57, closed)