So many intelligent people have taken your points, debated them, argued successfully that you wrong, and provided you with facts to support it.
So I am not going to try.

I am just going to belm furiously at the screen of my laptop at your sheer fuckwittery.

Now, for you and others who are saying 'Here are my PC credentials, I know a brown person and someone who is a bit forrin so I'm not a racist'...Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Knowing someone who is a different race to you does not give you entitlement to say things you know deep-down are wrong. It doesn't give you a special insight into how it feels to experience racism, prejudice or indeed the desperation that brings people to leave the country where they were born, raised and settled in, to travel thousands of miles to a cold little island to start your life all over again. It just doesn't.

Look at how you speak. What you say. Replace the words 'immigrant', or 'asylum seeker' with the word 'Jewish', or 'Black'. Labelling people makes it easier to be frightened of them - and it stops you seeing them as individuals. The people you are talking about have their own stories, their own personal triumphs, disasters, pain and comforts. They are entitled to help because that is what we have a welfare state for. If the attitude they face every day is one like yours, then frankly I am not surprised they get to the stage where they don't give a shit.

We are not overrun with immigrants (legal or illegal), asylum seekers or EU economic migrants. The NHS is not struggling because of an influx of foreigners - in fact, immigration BENEFITS the NHS. We are not overcrowded. We are not a nation struggling under the torture of multiculturalism, we are a nation who let terrified journalists and fuckwits like Littlejohn and Griffin dictate our way of thinking. Most of the people here who are of the same view as me get their information from proper bipartisan, unboased studies, and can support our views with Actual Facts. All you can come up with is 'well I saw some forrins once and they didn't have a job'.

(I couldn't give a flying fuck about your girlfriend, her ethnic origin, her nationality or how much you feel that validates your own view point - all it means to me is that you are BOTH wrong.)
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 18:05, 1 reply)

Also
before anyone starts on housing, housing is and ALWAYS HAS BEEN allocated on NEED. If you are a young, single male living in relative comfort at his parents, then do not need a house as much as a young family or person on the streets without that luxury. Your nationality and/or race entitles you to fuck all, as anyone with half a brain could figure out.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 18:26, closed)

I was not living in comfort with my parents
I was RENTING a tiny room in a three-bedroom house.
The two reception rooms were being used as bedrooms - meaning that there was no common area apart from the kitchen and bathroom.

There was one toilet being used between six people (there was a couple in one room).

The house was filthy, and there were cockroaches.

I was NOT in comfort. I could not afford a place of my own, and I needed out.

But because I was a single male and not an asylum seeker, I was given "lowest priority".

If you want to criticise me, then first you should walk a mile in my shoes.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 19:31, closed)

I have. You're obviously bitter about what happened, and decided to blame the first group possible. It's wrong, but understandable.
The facts are simple. There is a limited amount of social housing due to the 'right to buy' schemes introduced in the 1980s by Thatcher. The social housing that *is* available, has to be allocated based on need. You didn't *need* to be housed urgently, and therefore you wait. That is how the system works - regardless of whether you are a national or an immigrant. If it didn't, then Britain would be much, much worse off.

Before asylum seekers, it was single mothers. We all got free houses and money for nothing, whilst the poor working-class, single man was left without a council house. Now it's the fault of someone else. Excuse me whilst I try to give a fuck.

*tries*
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:32, closed)

Fucking hell, Wicca.
Imagine not having a reception room. Just IMAGINE. That's worse than Hitler*. We should definitely put families on the street so your man can watch telly in a different room to the one he sleeps in.

*yes, that is an post-modern ironic playing of the Hitler card. Oh, I went there.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 10:15, closed)

So what was stopping you, you know, getting a job and renting somewhere else?
Why do you deserve free housing?
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 17:58, closed)

Also
Yes - perhaps a family is more in need of housing than a single person.

But what if the family is not British?

Your nationality and/or race entitles you to fuck all

Firstly - what the f*** has "race" got to do with it? I am not talking about race, so why are you?

Secondly - YES my nationality bloody well DOES entitle me to more in my OWN country.

By YOUR logic, then to say that someone's nationality makes no difference, you think that we should open all our borders and let the whole world and his wife come and live here. And if they need housing, then give it to them.

Well if YOU want to pay for them with your taxes then be my guest. But I do not agree to do so.

Anyone with half a brain could figure that out.
(EuroSong I love horse meat: best of all the animals, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 19:45, closed)

No. It doesn't.
Housing. Is. Based. On. Need.

There are certain criteria a non-uk national must meet before they are allowed on the housing list, but once on there it is down to need. You were not trying to raise a family of three children in one room. You weren't at risk of abuse or illness. If the house was filthy, there was nothing stopping you cleaning the house. You weren't on the streets. You weren't 'disadvantaged'. Not compared to others on the list. It really is *that* simple.
( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:26, closed)

More to the point
he says he was renting, which implies he could afford to pay rent, which raises the question of why he didn't move somewhere else and pay rent in a less squalid sounding flat. Surely he wasn't trying to scrounge off the state when he had his own means?
(Bazongaloid, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:33, closed)

Heaven forfend that a bigot could be a fuckwitted hypocrite as well, Al. HEAVEN FORFEND.

( Wicca'd Witch needs ideas for a new sig on..., Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:35, closed)

I don't believe such a thing to be possible
I've never even met someone who said this had happened, therefore it cannot be true.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 6 Apr 2010, 20:37, closed)

Irony is not a metal
big·ot (bgt)
n.

One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
(Audax Victor, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 11:46, closed)

Erm, I think I'll go on a different tack here.
what in the name of sweet shuddering fuck makes it "your" country? Is your name on the deeds of the Land Registry?

Or is it because you were born here? does that convey ownership? So if you happened to have been born in Germany (say) while your parents were over there for 6 months, but grew up here, does that mean all bets are off?

Or do you think it's yours because your parents were born here? or their parents? What's the dividing point? Do I get to only complain about 3/4 of the immigrants because one of my grandparents wasn't British?

I realise I'm completely wasting my fucking time, because you are a lost cause, as illustrated with the "let the world and his wife come here" comment. If you truly cannot see how utterly fucking bigoted you are because you are referring to other human beings as a defined group by nationality first, as if you can define like that. "all forrins are spongers" basically. Do you reckon that's somehow less repellant than "all muslims are bombers?" or "all blacks are criminals" .. ? I'd love to know how you draw your distinctions.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 10:12, closed)

If all foreign people working in the UK sent their taxes to their home country you might...just might have a point
But they don't, so you don't.
( emvee cruor deo cruoris, Wed 7 Apr 2010, 18:04, closed)