Oh dear
'Spoilt' really does meant just that - she wanted so much to have another lovely child and by completely bypassing discipline she's basically squandered her chance to produce a decent human being. I've actually worked in childrens' homes where kids have been forcibly removed from their parents' houses due to lack of discipline like this which meant in later life the kids thought nothing of threatening the parents with a knife to get what they wanted. I'm not saying anything like that will happen, but for godsakes man, you need to get Carol to see what she's doing to the child by not doing anything!
( Hampster Squared has stuff at www.tilla.co.uk, Fri 10 Oct 2008, 1:09, 1 reply)

this is very true
There is of course still hope for Chloe. It's not too late for her to change, but if that's going to happen you have to take a stand with Carol. If she takes your advice, you live together and both try and change Chloe, then you get what you want and the brat would hopefully not be a brat much longer. If Carol doesn't listen to you, as you say you can't stand the child so you wouldn't be together anyway, and at least you tried. Seems you have nothing to lose if you can be courageous enough to make a stand - I say go for it!
(Stu Moo winner of five nobble piece prizes, Fri 10 Oct 2008, 1:30, closed)